hetalia | [Question] Official Scotland Design?

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Oh, that's what I thought! xD;;

http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/8050256.html

i think it's an event in pixiv or something :D it's fanmade.

but demm, i want a redhaired official scotland ♥

Oh god.

The Japanese fans scare me sometimes. I don't think they even remotely know what a Scottish person looks like.

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Their version of Scotland looks like a Japanese man with red hair and green eyes. >_

To be fair, most manga and anime characters look like Japanese people with funky coloured hair.

Random butt-in, sorry.

England has the bushy brows...I see a lot of English people with them. Or that could just be my dad's family. *lame*

I don't think that's true...the bushy brows come from the old propaganda 'John Bull', similar to America's 'Uncle Sam'. Himaruya at one point talks about England's eyebrows being the embodiment of his John Bull soul...

>w< I'm English, and I's hoping my eyebrows aren't so bushy :D

I knew about the John Bull thing, but just stating an observation from my silly American point of view.

I'm sure your eyebrows are lacking in bushy, it might just be my dad with his Iggy brows... *nods*

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I have to wonder if they didn't just shrink England again for the sake of the sex, though. :|a

All that I can think of for the old as France thing is that they had the longest alliance in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auld_Alliance).

But that doesn't make any sense either since England and France are both fairly old compared to the rest of the European countries. Then again, none of the official ages for Hetalia make sense; I seriously can't imagine America getting carded since he's techically supposed to appear 19. o-o

Ney, ney, not the longest, considering it lasted from 1295–1560!

The longest is still on-going between England and Portugal!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Portuguese_Alliance

That's about..627 years or so?

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But back on the subject of Scotland,

someone on pixiv designed him and they've all(majority ) adopted it as a headcanon I guess for Scotland.

Too true. Not like the English speaking fans, we all know that Americans, Canadians, French, Swedes, etc. are all blond white guys, amirite or amirite.

Precisely.

So what does a Scottish person look like? :|

The stereotype of one? Or an actual Scot?

Willie from Simpsons is the stereotype. Red hair, angry/grumpy, violent.

A teacher I once had who I thought was Scottish: breath smells of traces of whiskey/scotch/other liqueur, furrowed brows(can't remember if they were bushy, but he was already old and greyed), dressed like an elderly gentleman(suit+matching trousers, vest), wore a moustache, looked like he was staring you down but was actually pretty chill.

* I'm not Scottish, or British, nor live in an area with a lot of people of Scottish origin so don't take my word for it.

Strictly speaking, since we're a mix of all kinds of people (Gaels, Norse, Picts and others), there is no one stereotype any more, but we DO have the highest percentage of red-haired people in one country, when compared to other countries.

In saying that, the 'red-hair' I see in Scots tends to be a kind of dark red-brown. There are some people that have carrot-orangey-red hair (used to know a few guys and girls from back in primary school that had that color of hair XD ), but for the most part, their hair seemed to darken as they got older.

From what I've seen of Scottish guys in general though (bear in mind I live in Scotland), we don't have any guys that are 'cute' in the traditional sense. Our guys tend to be a bit rugged looking.... if you don't know what I mean, just look at a photo of Gerard Butler, Ewan McGregor or Darius Danesh lol! And even those that aren't rugged looking and are clean shaven aren't exactly drop dead gorgeous. They have a certain look to them... it's a different kind of 'cute/sexy'... very hard to explain, but Scottish guys aren't for everyone. You either find them good looking, or you think they're ugly XD

GERARD BUTLERRRRRR *A*

I KNEW IT! All the sexy stars come from Scotland!

PFfff, kidding xD I love the accent though <3

Thanks! I was actually kind of like "What, is he not supposed to have red hair and green eyes?" I have some Scottish heritage, and (dark) red hair, so the comment was a bit "wtf why is that wrong?" to me.

But no, I agree! I can understand how bright red (or orange) as a hair color for redheads may not be well liked (it looks silly), unfortunately it's super common in cartoons. orz (Would love for Hetalia to have a redhead though.)

And that's interesting, your description about the build of Scottish men. I've never thought of that before. I honestly wasn't expecting such a pretty boy when I clicked on the link, but Japan does love its bishounen. =A=;

If Gerard Butler is the "stereo type" Scottish guy, I really need to get my butt to Scotland. * A*;;

Appearances asides - I dislikes that this 'Scotland' is nothing like the actual nation of Scotland at all in historical terms. He's so far from the truth, I can't help but cringe when I see fanarts of him 'bullying/beating' up England. Not to say Scotland isn't awesome at fighting (we had the most desired mercenaries and were infamous for being stubborn and not knowing when to quit XD ), but historically speaking, Scotland was always being invaded by England, not the other way around.

England was the one that bullied Scotland, Ireland and Wales (to the point of annexing Wales back in the 1200s and lets not forget England tried to force everyone to acknowledge Scotland as just a part of land that he owned and not as an individual nation).... so yeah, I don't get why anyone would think Scotland bullies England, or Scotland gets along with baby!England or Scotland secretly loves England in any way at all....

And sorry for the rant, but the Scotsman (or Scots-woman?) in me rages whenever I see scary Japanese fanart of Scotland XD

Lol, this. Jfen are taking it wayyyy too far by making him over the top yandere towards England. England should at least be fighting back if they want to portray it in this way.

The whole 'England is bullied by his brothers' thing that was said by Himaruya obviously doesn't make sense if you look at it by history. However, the way I see this is that their 'bullying' is the result of England invading them. So like, England is the one invading them, but obviously they won't be pleased with this will they? So they bully him for it. XD

The bullying thing could also relate to their current RL relationship haha. These days I see them getting along a lot better than they used to.... but still not very well. :'D Personally I see all the brothers being tsundere for each other LOL.

I annoys me too and I'm English. XD Also hi I am just below you in the north-east of England~! o/

Also, may I ask what are your opinions on his appearance? For me the only things I dislike about the design are that he should be much more manly and that he should at least have some stubble or a beard. I like his hair style and colour (even though I would prefer it to be slightly longer and a bit wavy)

LOL, I have so many gripes about THIS Scotland's character, I don't even know where to start - other than to state that historically Scotland have never been out to conquer, nor upset other nations and have only reacted when others invaded him.

That asides, it baffles me why he's turned out yandere or even tsundere. Historically the Scots have always been a friendly bunch (hardcore fighting bunch too when it comes to our mercs/soldiers), but no.. seriously, I'm not just being biased because I'm Scottish, but when the Scots went over to America to try and claim land, they ended up befriending the Native American instead of suppressing them, enough said LOL! And over all, the Scots are known to be friendly people in general. It's not like we shy away from expressing our feelings, nor do we get prickly and snappy. We like a good laugh and like to laugh at ourselves too... so just how that interprets to being tsundere or yandere is beyond me.

Anyway, my ranting asides XD I do agree with you that I think some 'bullying' might have occurred after England kept pestering his siblings, but I don't think it was anywhere near as bad as some of those fanarts I see on pixiv of Scotland beating up England. I see it more like a brotherly kind of fighting. Like "Aye, I'm going to kick yer arse!", but when it comes down to it, they fight just like any other pair of brothers do. If anything, I see their fights as being lulzy as opposed to violent 'I'm going to kill you!' kind of fighting. I don't know if I'm making any sense, but since you're England, I'm sure you know all about that 'healthy' rivalry the Scots and English have. Yes, they say they hate each other, but it's not like they want to kill each other XD

As for my opinions on this OC of Scotland's appearance? I have always pictured Scotland to be a bit rugged looking (like the acutal Scottish landscape) and originally my own design of him DID have him with stubble (no beard, just stubble... my OC of Ireland is the one with a beard lol!), but when it comes down to drawing characters, I fail at drawing stubbly chins, so I ended up leaving it out.. and ended up liking the idea of a 'Scotland' who is clean shaven o__o So I don't mind seeing Scotland OCs being clean shaven. I dislike the thought of giving Scotland those bushy thick eyebrows England has just because in my mind, those eyebrows represent England's John Bull soul and John Bull was something Scotland didn't approve of or believe in XD

By the way, off topic, but North-east England? That's SO close to Scotland! *waves at you from across the border*

Ahh if only you could express this to the originial artist. I dislike this Scotland as well, plus, I imagined him sort of wearing the traditional outfit (Skirt and such) /shot

Don't get me wrong, I have no qualms over other people and their interpretations/portrayals of nations that don't have official designs, but what gets me is how inaccurate the artist's portrayal of Scotland is in terms of Scotland's history XD But... I dunno... I feel kind of mean if I say anything because everyone is entitled to their own opinions and ideas - even if this Scotland OC breaks my brain with the way he bullies and abuses England x__x

A skirt? lol! You mean something like this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/vamprincessnoa/Fanarts/CeudMilleFailteColored.jpg

I agree that Scotland should wear something traditional like a kilt. I mean, if you're going to be stereotypical, you can't get more stereotypical than a kilt, sporran, plaid and tam o'shanter hat for a Scotsman!

"...but what gets me is how inaccurate the artist's portrayal of Scotland is in terms of Scotland's history XD"

"...even if this Scotland OC breaks my brain with the way he bullies and abuses England x__x"

SO agree with that =__=U

Hi sorry for the late reply!

I'd like to see this in Hetalia. Especially the difference between England and Scotland when it comes to them going to America like what you explained. And just basically the differences between them instead of it all being lumped together into the UK if you get what I mean. XD When it comes down to it, the reason I see him as tsundere is because of the way you behave towards us English ahaha, i.e the rivalry and the jokes etc. But then as you said, you are a friendly bunch overall! That's where I get the tsundere from. Also that they're all brothers and I like the idea of them all being tsundere towards each other /shallow reason in shallow. But no way is he yandere.

I agree totally, they've gone over the top. I see it like you do, the brotherly type of fighting. I think they just like the whole 'Big brother Scotland was such a meanie to little England' thing. D: They don't seem to have done much research at all. Ahah, since this is Hetalia, their fights will be lulzy rather than violent when they finally happen in canon. XD Their rivalry better be shown or I will be disappointed! :'D

Me too! I just added the France style lines to his chin to give the appearance of stubble orz. I like the whole idea of them having the eyebrows because they're brothers.. but you're right, Himaruya did state that he gave them to England because of John Bull. However, don't Australia and Hong Kong have them too? Would they believe in John bull? *not sure at all* IDK but for me that's not the main reason that they're there... so I like the idea of Scotland having them. It would be hilarious if he was shown to hate his eyebrows because of John Bull though haha.

Yep! *waves back* Even though I live so close, I don't actually visit Scotland that often. XD I've been to Edinburgh a few times though. :D

I agree, I feel the rage. I said the same thing in the original thread about this OC. This idea of England being abused by his brothers, man I don't know where it came from (I guess it was the 'bullying' comments Himaruya made), but it sure is scarily inaccurate. I think japanese fandom loves making England into a poor uke. >:(

- Australian with Scots grandparent XD

I wish so much that the fans would stop making England out to be a poor uke. And I wish they'd stop drawing him so short too! He's only 2cms shorter than America, yet you'd think he was four inches shorter in some of the US/UK fanart out there ~__~ Also, I'm a firm believer that England can kick some serious ass - he was a pirate in the past amongst other things too, so he definitely knows how to put up a fight and win too... I just can't see him as being helpless or being 'abused' by anyone lol

Yeah, all those uke-style fanarts where England is tiny and moe piss me off XD. I agree with you with the kicking ass thing. If I ever want to read an England fanfic, I look out for ones where he's dominant or aggressive or whatever, because the alternative is usually whiny uke England, which I hate with a passion! XD

So true ;___;U -happy because she is not the only one who thinks that XD-

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I heart your comment so much. 10 days ago, I was complaining why England would be portrait as being bullying by Scotland (http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/8050256.html?thread=146715728#t146715728). Shouldn't it be the other way around, at least in the old day. And people were shooting down my displease with their English history facts.

I still disagreed with them but I didn't say anymore since I don't even live in Europe.

LOL yeaah.. I kind of stopped reading some of the comments in the other thread after a while because of how skewed some of them were. I'm not saying the Scottish NEVER invaded the English - they DID do it once, but it wasn't so much an invasion and more of a statement to the English to stop coming north of the border and harrassing them XD

But yeah, whenever anyone argues with me over whether England was 'mean' to Scotland or not, I usually just mention the Declaration of Arbroath; which - in a nutshell - is basically a document Scotland sent to the pope in Rome back in the 1300s to reclaim his independence from England. Prior to sending the document, England had managed to get the pope to agree with him that Scotland is not a sovereign nation, but rather 'land beyond the border' that the English King had claims to. England wanted to - and for a while managed to get the Scottish king to submit to him - so for a short period Scotland was considered part of 'England', but then came along the Declaration of Arbroath and the pope ended up changing his mind and Scotland got his status as an independent nation back XD

I don't know about others, but whenever I read about the English king getting the pope and the entire world to denounce Scotland's status as an independent nation (and as a country), it kind of brings to mind an image of England bullying Scotland... not the other way around... And then, even after that, the English continued to invade the Scots ~__~

Oh man, I could go on forever about the things the English did to the Scots - even the English national anthem 'God Save The Queen' (or God Save The King as it was originally known) is anti-Scottish LOL! So yeaaah.... I'll stop now! I don't want to offend any English people because I really don't have anything against the English, I just cringe at the people who insist Scotland bullied and likes to bully England lol.

TBH, I really don't like the design. Why?

1) He's really prissy looking
2) I already have candesceres' images in my head.
http://candesceres.livejournal.com/47271.html#cutid1

:/

Candesceres is GODLY in her designs..My God. ;_;

~~Her Portugal design makes my Portuguese heart melt with pride |D~~

Oh, geez, I already remember disliking this intrepretation. Like I said before in the last thread;

He looks like a red haired England with a cigarette. ._. And Cisco is a silly name. xD *is shallow*

I do like how some of the Japanese fanartists have drawn him with more traditional clothing though.

I have to say I wondered where this guy came from too. I suddenly saw the fanarts of him on Zerochan and Pixiv and even checked Himaruya's blog to see if it was real, but I'm relieved he's not canon. I don't care much for the design, especially the gaudy red hair and his clothes. What's up with his clothes?! A Scottish uniform looks nothing like that!

And in all fairness, I know Scotland has a lot of redheads, but what I've seen on actual people is more so a brownish red color, similar to Italy's hair color, not that super bright red I've been seeing (is part Scottish and has dark red-brown-blonde). And personally, I made my Scotland OC have dark blonde almost brown hair...

The bullying thing may have been something Himaruya just said to make his relationship with Iggy seem more like sibiling rivalry. It may be a human aspect of him, not really pertaining to his history with England per-se. I know for a fact that it's hard researching the history of ALL these countries.

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