Countries and bosses

[ardis89.livejournal.com]

Or, well, not exactly.

What I'm wondering, because I had I brilliant and mildly weird idea, and it's in the middle of the night, and I got kind of caught up in it, IS: ... or wait, no. Not a question because I'm too tired to get my brain around that.

Example instead: Prussia obsesses over Frederick the Great, and then there's France and Jeanne d'Arc, and aha, I knew my mind would catch up: do any of the other nations have bosses or just someone of their people that they can't forget, or are really obsessed with, or have conflicted feelings about? Like Russia and the Romanovs.

Who do you think they are? It doesn't have to be one person, can be many, and it doesn't have too be a person that the nation has only positive memories of, right? Just someone they remember and can't forget about.

That being said, I can't help but feel that Sweden is a massive Gustav Adolf fanboy. Of course he is.

But what do you think?

Comments

[tenori-taiga.livejournal.com]

Speaking about Ita-chan, I suppose he could be negatively obsessed by both Mussolini and the idiot who now rules the Country.

[jjblue1.livejournal.com]

We've had so many idiots or worse ruling the country I don't really feel this one sign out in particular so as to become Ita-chan's obsession. I'll bet Ita-chan would act the same with all the bosses he had.
But I've a hard time picturing Italy as obsessed with a boss. We're too prone criticizing our bosses to be obsessed by them.
Even Mussolini had a large bunch of people who didn't like him but he was the boss and everyone had to bow to him or face consequences.

In my headcanon I picture him as fond of the fathers of the fatherland just because they can be considered his dads of some sort but even them weren't that loved.

We're just no boss-fanboys.

[wayra90.livejournal.com]

I agree! I think both Ita-chan are more fanboys of the artists in general whom have actually contributed to the evolution of Italy and its union, for example Manzoni helped developing and spreading modern italian, in those times of trouble. But there are so much more.

[jjblue1.livejournal.com]

Exactly! All the artists and I'll say the scentists (Galileo) and explorers too.
Maybe the fave one would be Leonardo Da Vinci since we're still obsessed with his paintings? ^_-

[wayra90.livejournal.com]

First place I'd put Da Vinci and Dante Alighieri *-*
Damn that wine-bastard, we want the Monnalisa back! XD

[jjblue1.livejournal.com]

Can I add Puccini and Verdi? We need someone for the music! ^_-
Yep even though for once he didn't stole that one... but we can pretend to forget something he stolen in exchange for it... *whistles innocently*

[sara-rojo.livejournal.com]

Michelangelo, people! where is him?XD
Do you reckon Marco Polo makes the list? Aaaaand...a Medici, perhaps

[jjblue1.livejournal.com]

Yes, we need to add them too!
Though Marco Polo, despite being famous, is less loved I think... -_-
We study so little about him... -_-
Lorenzo il Magnifico cold join the list too... and I've just found a list of Italians (http://www.duronia.com/itfamosa.html) who're popular among Italians though I think it's definitely lacking writers and poets... where are Carducci, D'Annunzio, Pascoli, Pirandello, Goldoni, Manzoni and so on? ;_;

[tenori-taiga.livejournal.com]

You're right. We've had a lot of idiots here and yes, Italians are not too much obsessed by any of them, but some bosses are still very popular.
Maybe too much.

Just look at this news, for example: http://www.ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche/english/2009/11/20/visualizza_new.html_1619397619.html


Then, I've read someone (maybe Wayra90? ^^' Sorry, I can't remember. ;_;) still believes tath Ita-chan could be obsessed by "his" artists; unfortunately, it's not so exactly.
We do not have to forget that Ita-chan rappresent us, and a lot of people doesn't know anything about history of the art, artists or musicians.
That's sadly true.
Just try to ask to someone "Who was Filippo Strozzi?".
He won't answer you, trust me. ^^'


Uh, I hate my orrible english. XD

[jjblue1.livejournal.com]

There are idiots who collect everything.
I'm sure you would find people ready to pay from the brain of mother Teresa too... -_-
There's no respect for the dead, no matter if they did good or bad in life and some people has deranged tastes.
The point is not if we've some idiots willing to do this but if they're the majority and which reason pushes them to do what they do.

Most of the time we think someone has the majority when it's merely th one who makes more noise.
No one would write an article over people who wouldn't buy such thig at ebay because it would raise no interest, no matter how many are the ones who wouldn't buy such things...

As for the art thing is always a matter of majority whose knowledge often vary according to where you are.
If the Filippo Strozzi you mention is the one I'm thinking he's probably more popular in Tuscany than in other regions. Consider that the art we study at obbligatory school is not really that comprensive and generally considered secondary.
History is supposed to be more important but do you think Daniele Manin, Carlo Cattaneo, Ruggero Settimo, Rodolfo Graziani, Italo Balbo, Giacomo Matteotti, Giovanni Giolitti, Antonio Salandra, Palmiro Togliatti, Alcide De Gasperi are more widely known than Leonardo, Michelangelo, Verdi or Dante despite being part of a history that's much more recent?
Those artists's namest are immortal in Italy and universally known and the same can be said for some of their works.
Also with 'obsessed with artists' I don't mean we do estensive researches about them and their lives or that we know all their works like fanboys.
We're no a fanboy's nation, or better, each of us is fan of something different. Still, I think art win over politic.