QUESTION: HRE' Name?

[robotgeisha.livejournal.com]

Hey! I've looked all over the page that lists all of the character's complete names but just out of curiosity, does anyone know what the Holy Roman Empire's human name was supposed to be or if it was even mentioned in any of the original Himaruya Hidekaz comics? I know this might be a stupid question because his existence (or what happened to him after he disappeared...) is supposed to be a mystery...but I just wondered if a name was ever provided for him or not.

If he doesn't have an 'official' name, is there a fandom name that's been frequently used? Was there a name anyone used for fanfics or for RP-ing?

Any insights would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much in advance!! ^^ (Sorry for my kinda dumb question)

Comments

[flamefox324.livejournal.com]

No. Himaruya didn't give him any human name.

I'm not sure about any fandom names for HRE. D: -shurgs- Sorry.

[robotgeisha.livejournal.com]

^^ That's quite alright. I figured it would be unknown, but I thought I'd put the question out there just in case I was wrong. hahah Thanks for replying!

[swann-shooter.livejournal.com]

Fandom Name: Ludwig

xヮx *is shot*

[robotgeisha.livejournal.com]

<3<3<3 LOL!! *revives from shot* hahaha No, no! Its totally okay. I very much APPRECIATE that answer. XD (Is pretty much head canon too) X3

[robotgeisha.livejournal.com]

** ack typo I meant 'my head canon too' lol sorry n.n;

Took the words out of my mouth....

[lovelylurker.livejournal.com]

Ludwig.

[rice-powered.livejournal.com]

Ludwig.

[lily-winterwood.livejournal.com]

I would go with Hludowig, because that's the ancient Germanic form of Ludwig.

*has totally pulled this off of Behind the Name (http://www.behindthename.com)*

[thecupcakebat.livejournal.com]

Can I second this? <3

[seiichirou-uta.livejournal.com]

Well, you could also name him Chlodwig. That's the old Francian version. Francia was the country that was split into France and HRE round the 9th century.

(that means France and HRE should be brothers or even twins!!)

[lily-winterwood.livejournal.com]

I think I heard something about them being brothers... or maybe it's because France is sometimes referred to as "Big Brother France". :P

If they're supposed to be twins, then they're like the Italy brothers - complete opposites.

[seiichirou-uta.livejournal.com]

Hm, haven't heard that one before... only big brother France bla~

And I agree... complete opposites. *g* But what makes me wonder... IF it is that way AND Ludwig is the former HRE... that would mean he and Prussia are not brothers any more. But well now it gets rather scientific (I've read quiet some stuff about it. Prussia, if looked at him historically, is supposed to be something like the brother of... tantantata~ Lithuania!)

[louisa-w.livejournal.com]

I like Chlodwig (*adds this to head canon*)
HRE and France being siblings is an interessting idea...

[iwanttobeedo.livejournal.com]

THIS IS NOW HEAD CANON. ♥♥♥

[vysnia-cerasus.livejournal.com]

Yep, "East Francia" (or the Kingdom of Germany) lead to the HRE. I'm guessing that he was that before he began to pursue Italy in the comics, if we go by the Chibitalia strips where he seems to exist before the "empire" did historically (as a little baby in white). Funny that he appears alongside France too, though I don't think Himaruya had the time period set in stone then.

It seems to me that with the references to the Renaissance and all, that it was originally supposed to take place a little later and Rome was supposed to be the entire Roman Empire (including Byzantine). But once Germania became a character, it seems Rome was confirmed to just be the Western Empire (as it fell from the Germanics and Rome is said to have been killed by Germania). That leaves the question of who Byzantine is, and it seems Himaruya's been inconsistent on that front too :P

[sarasa-moku-ren.livejournal.com]

I've been trying to pass the "HRE and France are [fraternal twin] brothers" theory for AGES. I glad someone else though of the possibility and i'm not totally crazy.

They way I see it is that HRE and France are the REAL brothers. After all, they're always together as (very small) children. And they were FOREVER fighting over Italy (in the Italian Wars). They've also got a bit of bad blood between them from the 30 Years War and the Napoleonic Wars (oh, the FIC POTENTIAL~). Prussia, Austria, Switzerland, and (HRE and France) are all cousins, with Prussia adopting Germany as his younger brother (in a HRE=Germany scenario. if they aren't the same person, than germany could still be his brother)

As for the age difference between France and HRE? HRE couldn't grow because his development was halted by forever feuding territories and crippled power. (even though HRE looks the same in 500 AD and 1600 AD, it doesn't mean that France didn't grow. which is definitely the case because France is portrayed as fully grown (or almost fully grown) in the 1300s.

Anyway, behold my crazy, screwed up head-canon.

[shadow-piper.livejournal.com]

I just go with Ludwig, because that's pretty strong fan-cannon (and almost story-cannon), if not historically appropriate(ish).

[argh-tastic.livejournal.com]

My forum goes with "Lothar"

Because at some point, the Germanic land was ruled by two brothers, Ludwig and Lothar...

Eh, but we do support the HRE=Germany theory, we just didn't want to confuse it by giving them both the same name.

[estudyante01.livejournal.com]

AND I am that "Lothar" in that forum!
Yes...WE don't want to confuse Germania people.


^{Oi Roma, is that you? :o
XD}

[drcalvin.livejournal.com]

I think HRE doesn't have a human name for the same reason that Germany doesn't have a last name - it would have spoiled something that the author wants to reveal at a later date. Probably that they're the same person, but possibly something more

[maniac-fangirl.livejournal.com]

HRE doesn't have an official name, but many people think that HRE, when he disappeared, became Germany, and so because of this several people just call him 'Ludwig' cause that's Germany's name, (he doesn't have a last one though for some reason) but this theory has not been quite proven, so if you can make up some creative name, have fun with it (my sister and I sometimes give names to the unnamed~)

[creation48.livejournal.com]

HRE eventually became Germany, but not right away.
HRE being an Empire, I'd give him more than one name: the names of those modern countries that used to be part of the Holy Roman Empire (Roderich, Vash, Ludwig, Gilbert, Bella?)

[estudyante01.livejournal.com]

Liechtenstein too, I think. And Czech Republic and Slovenia? *shrugs*

Gah. That HRE kid had a lot to carry in his shoulders.

[vysnia-cerasus.livejournal.com]

And then there are all those German kingdoms and duchies that were in it too, that broke away for the Rhine and the Confederations. We've seen at least two named ones in canon: Bavaria and Saxony. Himaruya's also drawn a few vague, unnamed ones too.

HRE's guards were apparently supposed to be those guys, we can see Saxony as a notable one. But the anime kind of changed that up by changing their appearances, so it's only in the webcomic that you can see Saxony and at least two other unidentified ones. There's a MAD that references them and theorizes that two others were Bavaria and Wurttemburg, but it's just the video author's speculation.

[wacht-am-rhein.livejournal.com]

Wouldn't "Ludovic" be the Merovingian version?

I think a really historically tight fanfic where Francis, Gilbert, Roderich and Ludwig ALL learn they're very closely related would be hilarious.... :)