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[Fanart; Quesion] THE TEACHER BECOMES THE STUDENT.

Title: So, question.
Author/Artist: Me
Character(s) or Pairing(s): Russia, Belarus, Ukraine
Rating: PG
Warnings: Rambling, excessive fangirlish nitpicking
Summary: No history lesson today, just a little something that's been puzzling me for a couple of days now. I thought maybe some of you better-informed fans could enlighten me on the subject.

My question is thus: Do we have any sort of canon confirmation thus far as to the relationship between Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine? Personally, I'm tempted to think of them as siblings or cousins of a sort.

Because come on, hilarious.

But then that would probably make Ivan the youngest, wouldn't it, since the Grand Duchy of Moscow which eventually became Russia developed after Kievan Rus'. Or I wonder if maybe the early Slavic groups would have been an entirely different entity along the lines of Germania or Ancient Greece, which would go along nicely with the rather interesting history of Ukraine being referred to as "Little Russia".

Families are great.

And then of course there's fanon's interpretation of Russia and Belarus' relationship, which is just...a whole new bag of hammers.

Srsly, how weirded out should I actually be by this pairing? D:

I know I'm overthinking this and it's of like NO importance in the big scheme of things, but any thoughts? Interesting factoids about early Eastern Slavic history? Ponderings on translating other national/ethnic ties into lulzy Hetalia character interactions? It seems the longer I hang about this fandom, the more I desperately want to learn about the entire world. ;___;

Also, if any history-geek fanartists out there would care to share their favorite period costume reference sites, I would be most sexily obliged.

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The East Slavs evolved into the Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian peoples.

Wikipedia has spoken. I love your style. And i like to see Ukraine as the older, and Belarus as the youngest.

I have been wondering about the exact same thing. All I know is that Belarus is apparently Ivan's older sister (and she adores him loads?)... so maybe Ukraine as another sister isn't too far off.

Poor Ukraine, no Christmas for her. Ivan, u so mean. D=
(You, however, continue to be awesome. I hope it's not getting repetitive hearing that from me? 8D)

Also, if any history-geek fanartists out there would care to share their favorite period costume reference sites, I would be most sexily obliged.

SECONDED.

*had this on her favourites for quite a while*
These are the ones I usually go for.

http://www.costumes.org/
http://www.carpatina.com/

But google helps a lot whenever I need references.

Oooh, shiny. Thank you so much! (And I use google for these things quite a bit as well, but it's always nice to find big general sites that I've overlooked in my own hunting. XD;)

I especially love the costumes.org :> it's a bit hard to navigate there at first tho.

You're welcome :D'

[rant] D:' something I was looking for like mad and couldn't find where Brazil's military uniforms designs (I found illustrations from late 1800's to 1922 tho, but I wanted the uniform it used on WWII ;A;' so I could draw some things referenced from it... but I failed (found some interesting photos tho) [/rant]

Ahhh you're the person who drew the Vietnam war thing!! OH GOD X'D I like the style.

Well.... Belarus wants to be Annexed into Russia, right? And they're both creepy, so they can have a creepy wedding with decapitated crows and creepy children. Yaaay Bobby Barrows.

And for all I know, I don't really get the yandere thing because looking back at Russian History, Russia thought other ethnic groups were for the birds.

https://www.reconstructinghistory.com/polish.php?s=&c=8&d=118&e=&f=&g=&a=121&w=2 Some neato Polish clothes of the 16th and 17th centuries \o/

Ohhhh thank you thank you thank you! Lots of cool stuff on periods and places I knew very little about-- awesome! :D

I did indeed draw the Vietnam thing. Oh lord, I hope that won't tarnish my internet reputation. XD;

Ummmm.... the stuff people love about Russia is more offensive xD; I mean he emits the world Kolkohz from his mouth!

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Oh finally someone who likes shojo-ai in this fandom!! |DDD

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Oh I totally understand, they're precious. I just want to see more of them in the official stuff ;_;!!

OH GOD BELGIUM. I saw like one official drawing of her and then a really sexy fanart and decided that I LOVE HER. I like the idea of Belgium/Belarus too. REALLY I JUST KINDA WANNA FEMMESLASH ALL THE GIRLS, IDK. Hungary is too cute with Austria to slash though, you're right.

I KEEP MEANING TO DRAW THEM ALL GENDERSWAPPED BUT I KEEP FORGETTING. *goes and starts that right now*

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LOOOOOOVE CHIKANE/HIMEKO. I've never seen Marimite but HAY STILL LOOKING GOOD THAR.

Oh god they look adorable :OO I can totally see that, Ukraine's almost always cheery and Belarus just like GO AWAY ALREADY UKRAINE YOU'RE AN IDIOT and Ukraine's like NO ILU :D! But ohhh my god Belgium (http://i35.tinypic.com/157do9s.jpg). Belgium/all the girls and all the girls/Belarus. Liechtenstein would be like the only one Belarus could top. :X

|DDD I haven't got a scanner (CHRISTMAS, PERHAPS) or a tablet pen (WHERE DID YOU GOOOOO) but I'll definitely try :3

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I KNOW, RIGHT??

sdjklgashgkj Belgium/Ukraine yes. Just, YES. AND I AM DOODLING BELGIUM/BELARUS/UKRAINE RIGHT NOW. 8|!

AND LOL NOT UNLESS IT'S BEEN THERE FOR SIX MONTHS 8( But no I haven't seen Vietman or Taiwan yet DDD:!!

YOU KNOW WHAT'S FRUSTRATING? Trying to find justifying political reason for female-represented countries to hang out when most of them are more or less isolated from one another. Like, the Slav sisters and Hungary can meet up and have Soviet slumber parties and I guess Taiwan and Seychelles can bond over how obnoxious France is, but for the most part it's pretty slim pickin's.

The lady countries just need more attention in general. D:

(Er, Vietnam, that is, not so much Taiwan. Though she can knock on France, too, if she so chooses. >___>;)

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YES. Also, ROFL SO HARD at the Soviet slumber parties. I so want to see that now. Complaining about Russia getting all snobby 'cause ~ooh look at me, I'm so industrialized~ or something, ahaha.

But I definitely agree that they need more attention, I didn't know there WERE female characters at all for the longest time. :(

UkrainexBelarus? I like me some as well *W*

8DDDD!! Good to see they're not such an unheard-of pairing after all~!

I'd love to see more Hetalia yuri. Actually, I'd love to see ANY Hetalia yuri and more love for Hetalia girls, compared to boys, they get so little attention (besides Hungary, but even she loses to guys in terms of fandom!screentime) I know they are mostly minor characters, but still, I'd love to see more of them.

Really, now? Sweet. :D I had been sort of gunning for groovy older sister!Ukraine, to be honest, but from the two or three official images of her floating around it didn't look like that was quite the direction she was going in.

Russia/Everyone is pretty much OTP, baby. <3

I've been told that Ukraine is Russia's older sister, and that Natalya, Belarus, is his little sister and she's like VANYA I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU. (Does Ukraine have a character name yet, I wonder?)

yay! I've been wondering the same... and I really like Belarus x3~ and the fact that she has a brother complex~ heheh
I have these victorian outfits refs just in case you're interested xD:
http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/mens_victorian_outfits.php

Though this was not meant for me, it makes my night. O_O *has been looking for a site like this for AGES* ...ILU. >3> *latches onto your leg briefly and runs away squealing* X3

Oh my goodness, I think I love the character names and descriptions as much as the actual clothes. Now I, too, can dress like an authentic INTREPID MOTORIST. Amazing.

Thank you so very much for that.

ofmylife is right, Ukraine is the oldest sister, Russia is the middle, and Belarus is the younger sister.

I'm partial to Bela/Russia, I just drew it recently myself. :3

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Yeah, and see, this was why my initial reaction was to think of Ukraine as the oldest, but then she looked so incredibly moe in all the pictures I could find of her that I just wasn't sure what to think anymore. It's completely trivial, really, but sometimes I'm odd about these things. XD;

The "Little Russia" thing must be as annoying to her as it seems to be to some actual citizens of the Ukraine, then. Crazy.

OH GOSH. THE MIDDLE PICTURE. Their dialogue made me think of something I read in one of my history textbooks: that one reason Russia ultimately enforced enserfment during the Age of Absolutism was because peasants traditionally ran away to Ukraine during hard times.

And I want to see more of Ukraine; she is so adorable!

Also seconding

ofmylife on the "Ukraine as the elder sister" bit.

Please take this input with a giant shaker of salt. Can barely read basic Japanese, and I rely HEAVILY on the presence of hiragana/katakana (._.) [/fail]

She's appeared/mentioned several times in Himaruya's blog (including the trading card illustration. From what I can sort of gather, she get's caught up in the Slavic "happy" tiems.

In not-so chronological order, collected posts where she appears!
- http://himaruya.blog61.fc2.com/blog-entry-400.html (Text only, the second paragraph; Ukraine has an adorable hair cut, but I don't understand the previous line)
- http://himaruya.blog61.fc2.com/blog-entry-69.html (sketches for the trading card designs of Hong Kong and Ukraine. Not much to see here)
- http://himaruya.blog61.fc2.com/blog-entry-78.html (fifth question in; She and Latvia share similar problems thanks to Russia)
- http://himaruya.blog61.fc2.com/blog-entry-381.html (Russia-tyaaan~; ahahaha, moonspeak...)
- http://blog-imgs-29.fc2.com/h/i/m/himaruya/zennin.jpg (last character in the first set; from this (http://himaruya.blog61.fc2.com/blog-entry-301.html) post; she's so cute~)
- http://himaruya.blog61.fc2.com/blog-entry-274.html (last picture; The Slav family?)
- http://blog-imgs-21.fc2.com/h/i/m/himaruya/20080601072309.jpg (from this (http://himaruya.blog61.fc2.com/blog-entry-66.html#more) post; am now too tired to bother musing)

Probably more related posts, but I haven't found them. Also, remember: SHAKER OF SALT.

This post is just too interesting to be passed out!

Well, personally I agree with

ohmylife, I can't really see countries have sibling relationships as in "siblings". More like uhh....really close neighbors or something? Or it's just me being biased because I'm a fan of Russia/Belarus coupling (and it's easier to imagine them without them being siblings lol).
But I approve of Ukraine being like Russia's older sister. ^ ^ That role fits her so well.

Belarus' expression in the first one xD You have a really neat style~ And the second pic... poor Ukraine! They've have been having quite a few sibling disputes lately... like the gas issue (http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=796175), the Sevastopol (http://ukraineanalysis.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/russia-and-ukraine-dispute-over-sevastopol/) question, and the EU being reluctant to call the Holodomor (starving millions of Ukrainians in the '30s) outright genocide (http://www.kyivpost.com/nation/30562) so as not to offend Russia. (Even the EU won't stand up to Russia. Yikes.)

Y'know, I guess I find more-than-platonic relationships between the "related" nation-tans a little hard to stomach, like the brother complexes (Belarus & Russia, Liechtenstein & Switzerland) and pairings with former father figure-types (Canada & France, US & UK, S.Italy & Spain)... but that's just me. However, countries' relationships change over time, and they're not really people per se (like

ofmylife said), so it's not as wrong as it'd be otherwise.

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Yes I'm pretty sure that's it. Belarus was having some jealousy issues. Lithuania gets showered in the love that Belarus want greatly so she feels murderously jealous of him~ But the funny thing is that they portray Liet having a major crush on Belarus. ~~Or so what I've heard/seen in a comic. I may be wrong...~~

Ah I found it. It was in the Pact of Steel comic~

Ah, I see~ Thanks!

Ah, there are so many things about more modern to contemporary history I so badly want/need to learn. I feel as though all my years of school have still left me rather unprepared to deal with the real world.

This is part of why I asked, because while I realize it's a fairly cracky concept we're working with here anyway, the fanbase for Russia and Belarus seemed sort of...at odds with the familial associations I was inclined to draw between them. But then, I tend to over analyze things in which I'm interested, so feel free to ignore me. XD;

I feel bad because I don't have any neato links. ;; B-but LOL RUSSIA CANCELLING CHRISTMAS. :|

I always love your drawings. ♥
Coincidentally I just learned about Kievan Rus on Monday. XD
Belarus is definantly the oldest, cuz I'm pretty sure that the Slavs migrated there on their way east. Kiev was originally in Ukraine so she would be the middle sibling~
And that would make Russia the youngest? ~~but he's so much older looking than Ukraine, I get confused D:~~

I think that RussiaxBelarus is strangely cute. She's the only female I can really see Ivan in a relationship with. Though it does seem sorta incest-y once you think about it.

That middle pic is pure lulz. X3
That's it. I'm canceling Christmas for you.

omg, I love your style so much !
I really like siblings theory XD and want to see Ukraine in manga(she's much cuter than Belarus XP) ;__;
I see all Slavs as one blonde family XD esp with Ivan and Feliks opposite personalities :P
You know, there is a legend of "Lech Czech and Rus" that every Polish learns in elementary school XD
from Wikipedia:
"In the Polish version of the legend, three brothers went hunting together but each of them followed a different prey and eventually they all traveled in different directions. Rus went to the east, Čech headed to the west to settle on the Říp Mountain rising up from the Bohemian hilly countryside, while Lech traveled to the north until he came across a magnificent white eagle guarding her nest. Startled but impressed by this spectacle, he decided to settle there. He named his settlement (gród) Gniezno (Polish adjective from gniazdo, or "nest") and adopted the White Eagle as his coat-of-arms which remains a symbol of Poland to this day"

this is one of history themes that i want to draw with Hetalia characters xD

I unfortunately have no answer to your question, but...

is your icon Sokka?? *goggles*

According to the trading cards, the Slavic family is as such: Ukraine is the eldest sister, Russia the middle child, and Belarus the youngest of the three. The two girls have dialog that says:

Ukraine: "Russia-chan, you've changed a lot from when you were still with me..."
Belarus: "Nii-san, Nii-san, Nii-san, Nii-san..." (older brother)

That second picture is hilarious.

Well, I'm glad there really is some sort of Word of God on the subject then, even if it is the least important thing ever. :D

Also, that dialogue is fantastic. I need to see these two interact in the comic one day.

I've been wondering about their relationship too, since I actually noticed while surfing trough the net some hints of Russia/Belarus (Or maybe it's just me that see hints even where there isn't any). In Himaruya blog I found out this image, which is actually a sort of "relationship chart":
http://blog-imgs-24.fc2.com/h/i/m/himaruya/siryo3.jpg
I can't read half of Himaruya's handwriting, but toward Ucraine that's clearly written "older sister" and toward Lituhania and Poland(?)it said "annoyed". Toward Russia there are two hearts, so I thought that it was indicating some kind of love interest (In Hungary's relationship chart, toward Austria it's draw a heart) but then I learned from other users'comments that they're actually brother and sister. So, is Belarus actually infatuated or has just an exagerated affection towards her brother?
I'm getting lost... >_<

Belarus is admire his "brother" Russia blindly. This kind of expression between brothers and sisters are not so special in Japanese non-fictional thing (slightly incestly) but it's not big deal if it's platonic.
In this chart, Russia to Belarus written "little bit scary"...even Russia got scared for his sister's blindly affectionXD
Ukraine worried about her sister, but from Belarus to Uaraine, "Nii-san became hate me because of you, big sister".

In canon, Lithuania loves Belarus but she almost hate him.
(Because Lithuania is Russia's favorite)

Oh, thank you very much for clearing up my confusion! My japanese is quite limited and I'm absolutly not used to handwriting, so I managed to understand only few things. Actually, to me Russia and Belarus looks good together so...fufufu ;P
Russia being scared by his sister's affection is quite...unexpected! XD And I absolutly didn't know that Lithuania was in love with Belarus! Woah, so many informations you gave me, thank you!^^

Well, I'm actually a big fan of the RussiaxBelarus couple, but in Hetalia fandom, I have the tendecy to base my pairing of historical/political/that stuff potential and ignore characters' genders and relationships unless it matches, like AustriaxHungary

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