http://laughswithroar.livejournal.com/ (![[identity profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/openid.png)
laughswithroar.livejournal.com) wrote in ![[community profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/community.png)
hetalia2011-06-28 04:50 am
laughswithroar.livejournal.com) wrote in hetalia2011-06-28 04:50 am
Entry tags:
Mommies and Daddies
Since we already know about Grandpa Rome, Germania, Mama Greece, and Mama Egypt who do you imagine are the "parents" of the other nations? Do you think of them as biological parents or not? What do you think they were like and their relationship with their kids?
no subject
Interesting question.
For Canada and the US.... the have the same mother, a prominent Native American Female Goddess-like Figure. On the flip side, I have it in my head that Mexico comes from the mother of the NA bros and the father who represents the Mayans, which would include Guatemala and Belize as siblings to Mexico [paternally, and possible the western parts of Honduras and the northern parts of El Salvador SINCE there is a healthy impression of Mayan Civilization in those areas]
So they are all half siblings with each other, while I wont go into boring detail, for those have have civilizations within them before the point of any outside influence (European in the Americas and just before the rise of the Incas & etc) have their "parent" or "Grandparent" as the embodiment of the first empire.
ex:PERU - Norte Chico (Grandparent) ---> Inca (Father) ---> Peru (Child)
As for the other nations, it is the same...
Fav is still Germania and his many kids and grandkids (Germanics & Nordics yo)
no subject
I imagine that she hooked up with Rome (probably in the hatesex kind of way... orz) after Rome kicked Carthage out of Iberia at the end of the Second Punic War, which resulted in the birth of Hispania (Chibi-Spain) and Lusitania (later Portugal). I think of them as being "biological" children in the sense of being born from the living, breathing culture of their people. But where I see Spain as being born from the mixture of Iberian and Roman cultures, I see Lusitania more as being born from Iberia alone, in reaction to Spain's birth and Rome's presence in Iberia (but not so much from his actual culture).
I think other nations are born the same way; some "new" ones born from the mixture of two or more nations' cultures...but other ones that are born from the loss of the "new" nations, who retain their old culture and eventually replace their single parent as they evolve more slowly.
That's probably overly abstract and unrealistic, but yeah.Anyway, I see Iberia as having a much closer relationship with Lusitania/Portugal than with Spain, since Lusitania fought with her against Rome for a couple more centuries...whereas Spain gave into and opened up to Rome much faster. I don't see Iberia as being mad at Spain or anything, more just disappointed that he was closer to Rome than he was to her, and Spain being sad that she was always resisting and such.
...Aaand that's enough for now. Sorry for the wall of text. orz
no subject
And omg, I want a Rome/Iberia fic, tooooo. Might just hafta write one. ;D ...Although I take like 872 years to post anything. orz
My headcanon only differs in that I see Lusitania more as a female who takes after Iberia (although of course Himaruya hasn't decided on an official design yet, so I try to keep an open mind about it), mostly because I think this (http://www.fscclub.com/history/armed1-e.shtml) is TOTALLY BADASS. (Skip down to the "Circa 143-138 BC" section about "Celtic Women".) But otherwise, I agree completely about the splitting/getting back together stuff and such; Lusitania reeeally wants to be left to herself, just like Mama Iberia.
As for the Moors...I hope you don't mind if I share a little more of my headcanon. xD;; I imagine the Moors as being under Turkey, as well (although I really need to research them more >__>; ). I've studied more Spanish history than Portuguese so I'm not so sure as far as Lusitania goes, but I see the Reconquista kind of like Spain's long, drawn-out coming-of-age (
LOL PUBERTY). After Spain finally manages to wrest himself out from under Moorish rule, he finds himself with a great deal more land and freedom than he has ever had before; I see the combination of the need he feels to use this newfound power to prove that he can, coupled with the general paranoia and fear his people hold for the non-Christians (who were forced to convert or gtfo u__u) really fucking with his head for a while until he kinda snaps....Which of course leads us to the Inquisition
which is when things really get fun! :D *shot*no subject
And I liked that story! Portuguese ladies are tough. xD
Well, I guess I should admit it: I'M SHALLOW TOO, lol. The main reason I started picturing Portugal as a lady in the first place was because if she was a guy I knew people would do Iberiacest slash...but since I'm a hardcore Spamano fan, I didn't much like that idea, haha. Even though it'd probably end up being one of my guilty pleasures, like pirate-era England/Spain hatesex...or...Ottoman/Spain hatesex... Wow, I didn't realize I had such a thing for hatesex. xD;; But as I did more research, it genuinely started to feel more and more like a brother/sister relationship. Also, I see Spain always trying to be united with his sister because she's so much like their mother (in looks and personality), and he's trying to hold on to "Mama Iberia" now that he actually has the strength to choose to do so, instead of having to pick between her and Rome. That's my interpretation, anyway~ (:
That's really interesting about the surnames, although I suppose it makes sense. It's unfortunate, though. :\ But yes, the Inquisition was disturbing, and awful, and not something to be taken lightly. And because of that I feel kinda awkward sharing my Hetalia view on it, but...well, I'm already in this far, right? orz
In my mind, like I said before, Spain just kind of snapped from all the tension and fear that had built up in his people. So, he resorted to means that in his not-quite-right mind were necessary to "fix" it; and when it got bad enough that even the Pope himself sent orders trying to get it under control he was indignant and furious at his interference, and his king took steps to assure that the entire Inquisition was under his control instead of the Vatican's, so it grew even worse. But I think that at some point it all became too much for him and he began to cling to the idea of the New World as a different, better way to improve his nation (through glory and wealth) but also as a sort of escape from all the chaos...which is why he poured so much into exploring it. But even halfway across the world he couldn't really separate himself from all the churning hatred still going on back home, which ended up driving him to do a lot of not-so-nice things to the nations there that he felt reeeally bad about once things had calmed down. u__u
...Ahem. Yes. So that's that. I'm done babbling.
And, no! Don't shut up! D: I'm enjoying our conversation too much, and I still need to take you up on that Portuguese history lesson offer! Plus, I'd love to hear more of your headcanon about Portugal and/or Spain (or anyone else!), if you care to share~ ♥
no subject
Good point, actually. Yeah, the majority of things discussed/joked about in Hetalia are, obviously, based around serious events. That's all fine and good—even before Hetalia my friends and I would joke around about similar stuff—but taking a step back to remember that now and then is good, too. Even though in a couple hundred years people are gonna be talking about our time period in the same lighthearted way, haha.
...Anyway! I really love your headcanon about Portugal, both personality-wise and history-wise! And I hadn't put much thought yet into how s/he is in more modern times, but your thoughts fit perfectly. I hope you don't mind if I kinda mix this into my headcanon! :3 But ahh, I really, really, really want to see more of Portugal and Spain interacting (well, more of Portugal and EVERYONE interacting, really, since Portugal definitely doesn't get enough love), in fanon and canon. Hopefully Himaruya will give us more to work with someday!
On a more fangirly note, I think I totally ship England and Portugal and their whole anti-Spain marriage thing now. xD
I am very easily swayed, haha. And yes, I must admit, it would be a whole lot hotter if Portugal were male.Also, as a future language major, collecting hard-to-translate terms from other languages is a hobby of mine, and saudade is an absolutely gorgeous one! The Portuguese history blog looks like it'll be a really good resource, too. :D
no subject
The people who conquered the Iberian Peninsula from the Visigoths were actually a mix of Arabs from the Middle East and Berbers from North Africa.
no subject
I'm actually finishing up a class on Al-Andalus, so if you want, I can type up my notes about the conquest of Iberia so you can better understand? (bear in mind that my notes are going to be heavily Spain biased since I took this class in Granada).
no subject
I was actually debating on whether I should or not since my notes are in Spanish and it'll definitely help me practice my Spanish translation.
And yeah, as a history major, I'm really starting to notice the bias in class and in books.
(no subject)
no subject
That is such a beautiful way of putting it :'D !
no subject
no subject
so.... it'd be something like this....
Germanics (nordics):
Denmark and Sweden (half brothers)
Denmark and Norway (half brothers)
Sweden and Norway (half brothers)
Norway and Iceland (brothers)
Denmark and Germany (cousins)
Sweden and Germany (cousins almost half brothers)
Others
Finland and Denmark-Sweden (just neighbors)
Finland and Norway (cousins)
Finaland and Hungary, Estonia, etc (not pretty sure, but almost half brothers)
no subject
Sweden's mother was Sami. I can't think of who would be Denmark's mother.
Then, Sami... I guess, adopted Finland, since Finland is so much different from the other Nordics (the language for example), and took him to their family, as Sami and Scandinavia lived together.
Also, Estonia and Hungary are Finland's cousins or something.
Haa idk, this is what I've been pondering |3
no subject
As a Finn I think I know.
no subject
Well, this is from Wikipedia but we study these things at school as well.
no subject
no subject
no subject
no subject
Pulling your leg ofc. ;p
no subject
Here's my theory on England's parentage: There seems to be a divide in people's headcanon for England, about when he was born. Some have him as being around in Rome's time, which I personally don't agree with; while others, including myself, think he was conceived in the 10th century (when the country of England was officially formed, whereas previously it was a bunch of divided countries). Backing up the second theory... England is a child still when the year 1000 came. Unless England spent over 1000 years as a child, I really don't think that he would have been around in Rome's time.
Which prompts a question. Who was there? Personally, I think it is Britannia. Otherwise known as England's mother (and his brothers, as well). She'd be an ancient like Rome and such, but a bit younger. So, then, who would be England's father?
...Okay, I'm probably going to be slain for this headcanon, but... I think that England's father would be Saxony. Not Germany's brother, but the representation of the much older region of Saxony that still existed back in those times. The Anglo-saxons, who the English are descended from, are Germanic tribes; which means that it's only logical that England is related to Germania in some way.
We know that Germania would have had children, because he has grandchildren (Germany, Prussia, Germany's other brothers, and Austria). I'd say that one of Germania's children would be Saxony, of whom had some sort of brief affair with Britannia and England was conceived. As for England's other brothers, I think they would really only be half-related through their mother; because while England is Germanic, Scotland and Ireland were not touched by them at all, and Wales was only slightly. And as for Germany's brother 'Saxony' - he effectively took over the land of his uncle, hence why they have the same name.
...Does that make sense?
Basically, I'm saying that England is Britannia and (older) Saxony's son; which makes him Germany/Prussia/Austria's cousin. Based on anglo-saxon Germanic descent. Ta-daah.
no subject
Can I borrow this headcanon? xD
no subject
(I'm glad someone likes it~).
no subject
First off, North Italy and South Italy. They are supposed to be Roman Empire's grandchildren, which would make the Italian regions Rome's children. I have N. Italy as the son of Veneto, hence the name Veneziano, and S. Italy as the son of Sicily, who controlled Southern Italy for many years. Why they call themselves brothers if cousins would be more accurate is anyone's guess. Also, I think Vatican City would have originally been the Papal States.
Next, France, Belgium, and Spain. I picture them as being Rome's children, but their mothers would have been the representation of the people who lived there before Rome came along. For France, this would be Gaul, but Spain is more complicated. (I also have Belgium as the Walloon region rather than the Flanders region, so she would also be a child of Gaul.) I see Spain's siblings as being Portugal and Galicia, who are twins. Their part of the Iberian Peninsula was mostly inhabited by Celtic tribes by the times Rome came along; the native Iberian peoples were mainly in Catalonia and on up into Occitania, who are siblings. So, if anyone's mother if Iberia, it would be Catalonia and Occitania. Andalusia would also have a different mother; the rest of the regions would be the children of Spain, Catalonia, or Andalusia. (Basque is a completely different story and is not related to Rome at all.)
I have no idea how to do Germany's family tree. Germania, why does your family tree have to be such a train wreck?
I'm also kind of iffy on Japan. We know he was adopted by China, but I'm not sure who his actual parent(s) would be. Possibly the Ainu?
Now on to America and Canada. In my personal headcanon, they aren't "blood" siblings, but they do consider themselves brothers in the sense that they were both adopted by England. France would be Canada's father, and his siblings would be Acadia and Louisiana, the other two major divisions of New France. America would be the result of a wild party the Nordics (and Finland!) had when they reached the New World; he then wandered alone for years after the native peoples did not take kindly to Vikings stirring up trouble in their land.
Next is England and, by extension, the rest of the British Isles. I see there being two sisters, Hibernia and Britannia. Mama Hibernia had Scotland, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Leinster, Munster, Connacht, and Isle of Man; Mama Britannia had Pictland, Wales, Cornwall, Northern England, Midlands, and England. The last three, especially England, were suspected to have been fathered by Rome, as Britannia had them later in life, after the invasion of Rome. N. England, Midlands, and England would have been infants or maybe toddlers when Rome died; they ended up being raised by some of Germania's children. (Or grandchildren; like I said, I haven't quite worked out his family tree yet.) Northumbria took in N. England (via his parents, Bernicia and Deira), Mercia took in Midlands, and Wessex took in England. That's why they lost they don't have a Celtic identity like their siblings and cousins.
Finally, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and Poland. Their grandmother, Slav, had three sons--Lechia, Czechoslovakia, and Ruthenia. (At least, at first. I'm still trying to figure out how the South Slavs fit into the family tree.) Lechia had Poland and several other children and Czechoslovakia had Moravia, Czech, and Slovakia. Ruthenia had Kiev and Novgorod; Kiev then had Transcarpathian Ruthenia, Ukraine, Russia, and Belarus. Their stepfather was Scandinavia, older brother of Germania and father of the Nordics (except Finland!). Kiev was murdered by Golden Horde and her children were divided; Transcarpathian Ruthenia, Ukraine, and Belarus were taken in by Poland and/or Lithuania, while Russia came under the Golden Horde. After he rebelled, he went north and took Uncle Novgorod's lands.
Whew. Anyway, that's mostly all I have at the moment. My basic guideline for doing this was following the language family trees, but I occasionally improvised if felt it needed it.
no subject
no subject
France's mother was Gaul, but Rome's a jerk and killed her-- like he pretty much did with everyone. It's actually a joke with my friend and I that Rome then proceeded to tell France that he was born in a clover field and that's why he's so beautiful. Idek.
England and the UK siblings mother was Albion. She was a bit of a wanderer amongst her own lands-- so her children kind of cared for themselves. It sucked even more when-- you guessed it. Rome killed her. But yeah, an added part of the joke above? France told England he was born in cabbage patch and that was why his face was so fat.
/pointless ideas
no subject
no subject
no subject
no subject
Headcanon says that the Papal States is the Italy bros' adopted father and that he raised them until the partitions when he could no longer defend them/threaten the others with damnation (those darn protestants took up a lot of time and resources too). Papal also looked after Rome's empire when Rome took N.Italy until Rome died. Moving into the modern era, Papal States's relations with the Italies severely soured when the duo decided to completely unify the penninsula under one nation because, hey, would you want to be under the control of a kid you raised? He eventually calmed down and the trio worked out a compromise that made the Papal States into Vatican City.
I know this is incongruent with history but I like the idea that Mexico was actually the Aztec Empire until Spain conquered him. If the New World native nations were completely destroyed by the European, the eldest nations on the continent would be ~500 and I just like the idea of older nations sitting around and shaking their heads at the youngsters or still being in power in some places. There wasn't one Native America but several and some are still around today.
Headcanon says that Canada is actually a Nordic. Historically speaking, early Icelanders set up trading posts and such in Canada, which is kinda what happened with Su, Fin, and US in the comics. Canada also looks like he fits in really well with the Nordics. So headcanon says LittleIce wanted to be like Norway and go exploring. He ended up finding LittleCanada and visiting him until the Kalmaar Union when Denmark decided everyone had to live with him and Is especially wasn't allowed out without supervision. So Is didn't see Canada again until the 1900s.
no subject
I like to think there was a Kievan Rus who Belarus, Russia and Ukraine considered their mother and would have been a younger sibling or perhaps child of Scandinavia. (How Scandinavia fits in with the Nordics (minus Finland) and Germania/the other Germanics I'm not sure.) She was pretty young when she had them (plus a load of others) which indicated she had stability issues and she used to spend long periods of time away from them trying to find food/hide how weak having them was making her. Mongolia killed her in 1240.
I think there was a Magyar as well, some sort of older relation of Hungary, who was responsible for her odd ideas about her sex as a child.
Sorry for any bad english D:
Another version is having the empires as the original parents of Latin America, and Spain being the "adoptive father-mother country"
In Europe, mainly what was the Roman Empire: Spain, Portugal, France and both Italies have Rome as their grandfather, but Hispania and Galia were the mothers of Portugal, Spain and France accordingly. The Same with Greece and Egypt.
Those are the headcanons my friend and I came up with some time ago. I don't know if this helps....
no subject
I don't think either America or Canada were ever part of a Native American/First Nations family. The countries we know today are very much descended from European colonies, not the original inhabitants of the land. In my view, Canada was originally the first permanent French settlements, and America the English. I don't know much about Canada's relationship with France and England when he was younger, but as for America I can say that he was indeed very close to England, although the "don't leave me alone" thing that Himaruya is so hung up on didn't really last very long. America liked having the freedom to govern himself and do what he wanted, and England coming in and trying to boss him around did not go over very well.
While I do think that the four still consider themselves to be a family, I don't see there being much of a father-son dynamic today, since in Hetalia that really boils down to a mother country-colony relationship. The four of them are equals, the colonies have grown up into nations, and their relationships have changed.
no subject
no subject
This is beautiful, I can never find anyone who thinks like me.America and Canada certainly never treated any of the native personifications as parents in any way...(one more random headcanon there, I don't think there was only one native nation, considering the wide range of cultures and people on the continent...)
Exactly! The nations aren't bonded by blood, it's a matter of who they grow up around and get to know, and what they look for in a parent/sibling/whatever.
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
(no subject)
no subject
First of all, all we know is that Rome is the grandfather of the Italy brothers and Germania the father of HRE as well as Prussia. We also know Greece and Egypt have their mommies as well as Hungary and Magyar. Which tends to lead that parents nations represent :
-The native and common language of some nations
-A culture straight different of the same nation present-day
-A parental figure for tribes as a whole (that point is very close to the first)
With those points, you can tell Rome was the predecessor of the Italies, but also France, Spain, Portugal, Romania, and so on... However, to let this happen, you need a mother, a.k.a. the former culture of the same land. It means Iberia, Gaul, Dacia...
Notice that Greece's or Egypt's profile never stated their father. So you can't say Rome get their mommies pregnant. He may've fallen in love with them, but that doesn't mean the baby should come next. :U
Next, it's clear Germania is the father of the Germanic nations, the father of Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Prussia, England (?)... America and Canada, who are mainly of Germanic blood descendance, are a different story, however. You can't relate them to natives since they don't come from the same ethnicity. They're like young seeds made by colonial America. That all I could found as a credible explanation.
According to one of the points I made, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine would live with a Kievan Rus character. The only thing that bugs me is... err... That character hasn't been shown when the chibi trio made an appearance. That bugs me. You can always play on subdivisions languages which are the perfect genealogic tree. That's why, in my headcanon for Turkey, he used to wander in Central Asia's plains along with his siblings.
Also, there's one mystery left : who's China's mother ? A holy panda ? *shot* Same as the oldest nations such as Vietnam (crazy headcanon says it's a turtle).
no subject
no subject
Spain and Portugal are the children of Iberia and Rome, but after their mother died and their father disappeared, they were raised by Al-Andalus. France's mother is Gaul...but there is some debate over who his father is. France likes to say it was Rome. But then there's all that time Germania spent at their house...so he's can't be 100% sure.
The one known as Britannia never told Rome her True Name, because names have power and that was the only piece of herself she was able to hide away from him. Britannia's eldest child is Ireland (who I can't not see as a female) and is her daughter with the original nation-tan of that island. Britannia's second child is Scotland, her son with Old Man Pict.
Britannia's third child is Wales, and this is where I split off from most people's head canons. I believe Wales's father is Rome. When Rome first came to her island and demanded she become his woman, Britannia agreed on one condition. She would become his woman if he promised to leave her son and daughter alone. He agreed and soon she was pregnant with his child. But Britannia had tricked Rome- rather than give birth to a Romano-Celtic nation, Britannia had used her magic to instill all that was wild and Celtic in her, into her son Wales. By doing so, she sacrificed her culture for her children and willing took on the name "Britannia" and becoming the homeland for the Romano-British culture. Rome was furious, and took his rage out on his son and his son's people. But he was never able to break his promise to Britannia, and for the most part her two eldest children were untouched by Rome.
Britannia's last son was with Germania and is, of course, England. Britannia died giving birth to England, in part because the people were no longer Romano-British, and in part because there was no where left on the island for her to represent. This is the original reason England's siblings hated him- as children in their own right, they couldn't help but blame this new baby for the death of their mother.
Of course, England did a perfectly good job of giving them lots of new reasons to hate him once he got older.I debated adding the following, but here goes: Northern Ireland is not one of Britannia's children. I know some people like to make Northern Ireland into Ulster. I personally think that a Northern Ireland-tan did not come into existence until the 20th century. But despite which theory one follows, Britannia was long dead. If Northern Ireland has parents (rather than just appearing like America or Canada), Ireland is his mother. If he is Ulster, then his father should be Scotland. If he is just Northern Ireland, then his father is England.
no subject
It's so obvious with that name.no subject
no subject
Nordics
Finland:
I can totally see him having a parent in Sami - perhaps that would be his mother. His father? No idea, but it the closest might be Germania, though Finland doesn't have that much to do with him.
Sweden:
Father would be Germania, definitely. And again, if Sami was ever created, I'd think that would be his mother figure.
Norway:
Since Norway's Germanic heritage only stems from Denmark and Sweden, that would tecnically make them his fathers, but in this case, maybe Norway is a little more attatched to Sami (in the early years) before his big brothers really influence him xD;
Denmark:
Again, father would be Germania. Lol, I'm starting to think that Germania was that sort of type who came around and found Denmark and Sweden, and then ended up leaving them quite quickly again, only coming back to see how they were doing occationally. Denmark's mother...? That's a hard one, but if I had to think of another OC that might fit the bill, it would be Cimbri ( present Jutland).
Iceland:
Evidently, his older brothers are Norway, Denmark and Sweden, though the people he is most influenced by at the time (out of the Nordics) would most definitely be Norway and Denmark. When I read about the early migrations to Iceland, I always read that the Icelandic people are mostly Norwegians, Danes. If he ever had more than one parent figure, I'm pretty sure it'd be his older brothers.
Central Europe
Prussia:
A really interesting character when it comes to this! I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that a part of the Teutonic Knights order stem from the area of Aestii Baltia (same as Lithuania). Though at the same time, Lithuania himself, I believe, was once part of that knights order... Or am I mixing it up here? Anyway, if I had to chose anything, I'd say that his father was Germania and that his mother was Aestii Baltia.
Germany:
I know that many people believe that Germania is his father, but I'm not sure... It really depends on wether we should count Germany all the way back to long before he even became a part of the Holy Roman Empire. In which case, his dad would be Germania, I guess? It's awfully unclear to me, personally.
Estonia:
Aestii Baltia would be his mother, no contest in my mind. Though in case of his father it becomes really unclear again. Either it would be Germania, or no one. Some of the stuff I've read might even suggest one of the older Nordics like Sweden or Denmark, and that fits hilariously well with the fact that people from the Aestii Baltia area supposedly liked to mingle with Danes and Swedes for trading. (Which amuses me even more because Estonia wants to be a Nordic fffft).
Okay, it's late and I think I need sleep if I'm ever to consider writing more here OTL *wanted to write about Russia too, but alas*