[Discussion] Headcanon regarding the dub?

[kimhana.livejournal.com]

uuuuh first time making anything other than an art post, kinda nervous here

So with the release of the dub on the horizon and clips and episodes being released, has anything in the dub added, removed or changed something in people's headcanons?

Regarding HRE's strangely Italian accent. While I had always assumed that he would have a German one, what with his use of "Vati" and "Mutti" in his Marukaite Chikyuu, the dub has made me consider the fact that perhaps he adopted an Italian one in order to sound less frightening to Chibitalia.
Only it kinda sorta really backfired. Badly.

...I thought I had more but I can't seem to remember any of it right now. THIS IS WHAT I GET FOR TRYING TO POST RIGHT AFTER WAKING UP aljlkfjalkf Maybe I'll remember after I get home from college orientation.

Comments

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

I fanwank that HRE's accent is because Latin was the official language of the real HRE. That's the best I can do.

[rhambling.livejournal.com]

In this case the Japanese version is kidna wrong, they probably should have used Latin instead of German. Since a form of Latin was the official language of the HRE and Italian-ish accent only makes sense.

[kimhana.livejournal.com]

Ah, see, I didn't know this. It makes much more sense to me now, but the idea that HRE should've had German accent is hard for me to shake since it's what I've assumed he had since I got into the fandom. v(._.)v

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

*HRE's accent is Italian-esque.

I fail, sorry

[kimhana.livejournal.com]

I guess I should've assumed, since it's Studio DEEN who writes the songs and not Mr. Himaruya.
I guess coming across the "HRE=Germany" theory early in my entry to the fandom has kinda messed with my thoughts on this thing, along with HRE's MKC.
I'm kind of an easily persuaded/gullible person, unfortunately.

[kimhana.livejournal.com]

I also like to repeat myself and use the terms "I guess", "I believe" and other variations because it makes me feel better if I turn out to be wrong. derpderpderp

[rhambling.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Studio DEEN is a horrible when it comes to languages.

That seems to mess with everyone's brains. HRE could be Germany, doesn't mean they spoke the same language since countries change over time.

[juandalyn.livejournal.com]

That makes no sense, though. Of course, Latin was an important language because of the religious backgrounds, and the official names were Latin, but The Holy Roman Empire of German Nations already says it all - the population (mostly) spoke German.

Latin was only the language of scholars and the purple which mostly also excludes the rulers.

Johann Jakob Moser said "Teutschland wird auf teutsch regiert" - "Germany (here: HRE) is ruled in German".

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

The population spoke all the languages of all the nations conquered or annexed. My point is that Latin (or a form of Latin, at least) was the official language of the Empire. As I said, it's fanwank for the accent.

[watashinoekiben.livejournal.com]

D: DEEN=DERP
I have been thinking HRE had German accent...

But I don't think HRE was noble-esque...
The nations are supposed to represent the majority of their people, and HRE's people mostly spoke German...

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[juandalyn.livejournal.com]

I don't get it. Why should he have a Latin/Italian accent if HRE is the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations?
The first the Empire was ruled by were the Franks, a German tribe (by Charlemagne).
Of course, the German was a different German we know today but most people (except for the lands in the East where Slavic and the Southern states were Italian and French were spoken) spoke German. Only clergy and scholars spoke Latin.

[juandalyn.livejournal.com]

But nation-tans are supposed to speak the language of their nation, don't they?
And I've never heard that Latin was the official language. Charlemagne, the first Emperor, said German was his own and official language.

[rhambling.livejournal.com]

HRE had many languages, Latin, Germanic, Romance and Slavic ones. Latin was considered the official official one.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

Yes, but HRE is not a nation, is he? He truly confuses me.

Latin was used in official mail and all acts of government. The Emperors (and Empress) were anointed by their Latin names. That's why Latin it's generally considered the official language of the Empire, even if the regular language was Czech, German, Italian, etc.

[rhambling.livejournal.com]

He was an empire. Like Rome.

[juandalyn.livejournal.com]

I'd rather see that it started with Latin but was changed to German pretty quickly since the emperors were German. And spoke German.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

It only became the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations in 1512. It was created as Imperium Romanun Sacrum.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

What do you think is his connection to the nations he rules? After Charles V we can say Austria=HRE, so if HRE is defeated, Austria feels it?

Did that make sense?

[juandalyn.livejournal.com]

It really may be that the official language was Latin because the only ones who could write only wrote in Latin (German wasn't a real written language; the population couldn't write).

Still, it confuses me. German and Latin aren't that different and an Italian accent still would be wrong (in pronunciation).

(sorry, I'll only answer this comment because it'd be the same answer to all the others as well)

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[kimhana.livejournal.com]

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[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

As far as I know, Latin was chosen because the HRE was a revival of the Roman Empire.

Regarding pronunciation: no one knows what Latin sounds like. We know clerical Latin which is a distorted version of Classical Latin, which has an Italian-like intonation. But not really.

IMHO, everything regarding HRE is confusing. Ie, when did he die?

[juandalyn.livejournal.com]

Hmm, I learned it very differently from Italian. But that's only the Latin we learned at school, so you're right. Otherwise, why does he have an accent at all, then?

Probably when Napoleon dissolved him, 1806. If he became Germany or not is fanon.

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[kimhana.livejournal.com]

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[mogumogu.livejournal.com]

Nobody really knows what Latin sounded like, though. It may have sounded like Church Latin, which has a more Italian sound, but who knows for sure?

[mogumogu.livejournal.com]

... Oh, I should have read the whole post before replying....


(but, hey, both could kinda sorta be right? XD)