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[Discussion] Austria & Hungary in 1848

Being a history major's even more fun with Hetalia, so I'm interested in seeing how the community will weigh in on this, especially the Austria/Hungary fans. Here's a basic [and I mean basic] summary of this topic:

The Hungarian Revolution of 1848 was an attempt to overthrow Hapsburg rule and have Hungary be its own nation-state, a common element of 19th century Europe. When the fighting broke out, the Austrian Emperor Franz Joseph I (yes, the one Austria mentions in Episode 6) implored Czar Nicolas I for assistance in crushing the rebellion. Austrian and Russian troops defeated the revolutionaries, and many of the Hungarian revolutionary leaders fled the country.

So, what do you think this would translate to in Hetalia, considering how Austria and Hungary are portrayed as a loving couple? (I had never even heard of this revolution until this semester, hence my curiosity.)

EDIT: Thanks for all the great responses! :D Discussions like this make me love the comm even more. The majority of responses seem to agree that Austria and Hungary had a spat over this, and Russia was called in to intervene. I really like how different (even if a little) your interpretations are of this event.

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Ah, lover's spats~!

*snickers* I guess... until Russia's involved?

[That sentence + your icon = <3]

In this case, Russia represents Mablean Ephriam of Divorce Court.
Except, instead of being a sassy black lady, he's a fat Russian.
And instead of a gavel, he hands out justice with his water pipe.

[Danke~ ^_^]

I LOL'd.

There is no any perfect relationship between two neighbouring nations >>;
I'm curious about this part too, I've learn a lot about it during Polish history lessons(one of our national heroes fought on Hungary's side).

I remember that I read one very nice fanfiction about those events, but it was a long time ago...

Unfortunately, I don't know as much as I would like to about Austrian/Hungarian history, even though I, too, am a history major. (and it is exceptionally fun with Hetalia) But I was under the impression/was sort of my headcanon, at least, that it was around 1867 when Austria and Hungary really "married". This was when Kaiser Franz-Josef and Kaiserin Elisabeth (or Sisi) were crowned King and Queen of Hungary, and the Austrian-Hungarian Dual Monarchy was created. So, I see it more as Hungary was a maid in Austria's house up until 1867, when they realised that they loved each other and got married. And then, wham! Austrian-Hungarian Empire!

This started out all historical and then just got sappy at the end. XD

What's funny is that this was a factor leading to the "marriage" of Austria & Hungary in 1867 and the double monarchy between the two.

History is so fun when you get into the meat of it. :)

So was this event Hungary refusing to work for Austria?

XD Oh sappiness. *highfives fellow major*

Haha, I'm thinking like a strike. Before they had strikes. Born out of confused feelings (and mixed signals?) on Hungary's part because Austria is not paying her enough money/attention/love/whathaveyou. And then he realises that "hey, I actually have romantic feelings for her" and then they work everything out and celebrate by getting married. Or something like that.

:D *highfives back*

I actually doodled a comic about this when we went over it, though mine was focused more on Russia. (Russia came to Austria's aide fully expecting the favour returned. Austria was then a dick to Russia for the rest of the century. Just wait til you get to all them Balkan conflicts. Fun fun!)
I portrayed it more as Hungary herself was very angry at Austria but her people took it out of hand. She wasn't ready to leave him, she just wanted some of his more prickish haboits to change, but her citizens just made the whole thing escalate and... I dunno. I really don't. It's a good thoughtful question.

And eff yes history majors! I'm actually an anthropology major, but a history minor. HIGH FIVE!
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Well, the thing is with Austria/Hungary, we've yet to ever see the era in which they were actually "married", if I'm not mistaken. We've seen them before the union and before that revolution would happen, and then we've seen them after WWI and on after the dissolution of the union where they don't seem to hold grudges against each other.

So there is actually a lot of interpretation to be had about the union and the Hungarian Revolution for right now (until when/if Himaruya ever decides to draw it)! I think it's entirely possible that Hungary would've had qualms about him and want to assert herself, only for that to go wrong. I've seen criticisms about the pairing due to events like this and of course the sexism/gender roles debates in the series where it's been said that Hungary is much too dependent and loving of a housewife. So it'd be interesting to see this illustrated, except it could be said that since she lost, that proves her weakness and Austria was "putting her in place" (not my opinion, though, but I've seen how it can get around this fandom in places).

I think it'd definitely translate to a spat of some sort between the two. I'm not sure how canon his character notes are anymore, but those notes said that Hungary felt defiant of Austria's rule yet also harbored a yearning for him. It's just a shame we've yet to see more of her. I sometimes wonder what it would be like if Himaruya had gone with Hungary as a guy like his first intention, how the dynamics of the two would be and if this would've come into play for the strips. But I like the Hungary we have, just hope we get more of her, especially to see just how their union would be portrayed in a story.

Never snub Russia- you'll regret it. (Yeah, the tension between Russia & Austria over the Balkans is more the reason for WWI than anything to do with Germany.)

That sounds like a good idea, and somewhat in character. The thing that makes this a mess is Russia getting involved.

:D *high fives!*

I believe there's some notes that talk about Hungary's conflicted feelings for Austria. I tend to see it as how she has a crush on him but is put out by his refusal to let her have more autonomy - shoving her feelings to the side for the sake of her people.

The compromise is a way of working themselves out and getting married which, in turn, makes them fully realize their feelings for each other!

Or something along those lines, I'm really sketch in Hungarian history.

Hungary: "You can wash your own damn dishes tonight!" D:< [Storms Off]

Honestly, I've wondered this myself for some time now. I took a European history class last semester and when I read about the revolution, I was a little surprised and felt like my OTP was a big, fat lie. XD True love doesn't fight like that! XD

I'm not really sure what this would add up to in Hetalia-land. In the big scheme of history, I would consider this a slightly more minor event (Though I might have a different outlook if I were Hungarian and/or Austrian--) and would probably write it into the storyline, if it were up to me, as a lover's spat or a brief altercation before a giant declaration of love, as opposed to a big blow-out between Roderich and Eli. XD Maybe it could also be viewed as Hungary having second thoughts about the impending marriage? Feeling smothered by the relationship until Austria talks some sense into her?

But... would all this make Russia a marriage councilor or something? *A*

Considering Russia wasn't REALLY messed in the head til Bloody Sunday, which was after, I like to think Austria's rivalry with him may have contributed to his messed-up-ness. I support prick!Austria XD (I know, I was so surprised when I learned that. I was like "Ffff, no wonder the Versailled treaty pissed them off so much. And no wonder they hated Slavs, what with what Serbia did..." And then I felt bad cos I am a Slavic nationality. Lolhistory.)

Russia getting involved did make things messier, yes, but Austria as a country had quelled other revolutions in 1848, so would Hungary really have left him in the end I really don't know; I'm much better with Eastern European history than Western; I do find it really interesting though!

EFFYESHIGHFIVE! *dances*

I remember what an Hungarian said in a discussion, that Austria and Hungary as a loving couple didn t make any sense anyway.

Well, she wasn't exactly "weak" per se, because she had TWO nations against her. Also, ALL three of them were lagging far behind in terms of technology and politics compared to Western European nations like Britain, France and the German Empire.

"Putting her in her place" is the darker interpretation I think, especially since it conjures the image of Austria allowing Russia to brutally "punish" her while Austria turns a blind eye. I don't think that's what happened in Hetalia terms.

Hungary's a very fun character and does deserve to have more screentime in the strips.

XD You're the second to suggest that idea of Russia being a "counselor".

After learning about this, it does seem weird.

I'm glad you joined in, because this is more your field than mine history-wise. I think you offered a great perspective on this. :)

The Balkans were just in a terrible mess at this time- the Ottomans lost them (and were too weak by then to regain them), and they were stuck between Russia and Austria.

Ahaha, I dunno, I consider Austria western Europe. I'm not as well versed in the 1848 Revolutions and the Crimean Wars, but I do know how von Bismarck worked VERY HARD to keep Austria and Russia from fighting and then when Germany's new emperor was all 'LOLSCREWYOU' shit escalated really fast. It's because of the Balkans (not to point fingers, but Serbia was particularly hornery and angry at Austria, and Slavic Russia egged them on) that the Great War happened, but with the way things were going in Europe at the time, something bad would have happened regardless, especially with everyone wanting to carve u- er, "civilise" the rest of the world and expand their territories. SOMETHING big was gonna happen, and when WWI started, Europe went into it wholeheartedly not knowing how horrific things would qucikly become...
And daaaw, great perspective? Thanks, you make me blush. I just find it great to talk about the history aspect of the fandom rather than the crack or slash aspects. (Not that UI don't have fun with those as well, hahaha.)

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Certainly a fight of some sort. I see Hungary as a very enthusiastic soul, rebellious and expressive. I think she has feelings for Austria and that it's precisely those feelings that exacerbated her frustrations and caused her to get so out of hand. We're much more ready to overreact and over-express ourselves with those we love and are close with, Hungary even moreso with her sort of disposition.

I really wish there was more coverage of the relationship between Austria and Hungary... Their history would make for a very rich translation into Hetalia. I get a little bugged that they're always portrayed as such a loving couple, their history wasn't all love and peace. Austria did help Hungary develop as a nation, but there were still underlying problems between the two even during the peaceful times. Austria was always clearly the more dominant player of the two, not always to the pleasure of Hungary. By WWI it even seemed like Austria was looking to take complete authority over their union state, or at least was my impression. (I seriously think Austria had control/power issues for a lot of their time together)

Hungary herself actually has a pretty difficult and dark history. I haven't looked into it too deeply, but I think her history deserves a lot more coverage and exploration than it's given. (Our history classes just love to ignore eastern Europe, it seems. /sigh)

this!

I really like your take on it. It explores the deeper history between them. :)

Austria's always seemed like a very controlling personality- even the "underwear" incident in episode 6 was ridiculously controlling. It's probably why Prussia enjoys pestering him so much, by tormenting Austria with his own personality quirks.

Yeah, Hungary deserves to have more exploration in Hetalia.

I can't really see any kind of loving relationship between them until 1867 when they became one country. Before that, Austria really wasn't that nice to Hungary and Hungary didn't really like having to live under him. Thus, revolution. And then she called Poland over to help and things were going pretty well for her until Austria got Russia to jump in and it all fell apart. And Austria wasn't too kind after her revolution either.

But after all that? I can see them coming to a compromise and Hungary somewhat reluctantly agreeing to marry him. And then over time softening up more and more as they really got to know each other from living in close quarters peacefully. I dunno, I'm not a big fan of this ship and this is the only way I can make it work in my head.

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