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hetalia2010-02-03 05:10 pm
phibby-kun.livejournal.com) wrote in hetalia2010-02-03 05:10 pm
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Question for fic writing...
Okay, I've been wanting to write a historical-based fic involving Spain and the conquering of ancient Mexico. With that in mind, I want to know how I could approach this....
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- Obviously the Spanish obliterated the Aztecs, and enslaved the other tribes in the area. Would this mean the "nation-tan" of the Aztec people would die?
- Historically speaking, a majority of Mexicans are the result of the mixing of Spanish and indigenous people. In that case, could a "nation-tan" possibly impregnate a human?
- ...Assuming the ancient nation of the Aztecs wasn't female. I'm still trying to decide on genders, because while Hispanic culture is more "masculine" (which would probably fit Mexico-tan), the women in Aztec culture held important positions such as doctors, priestesses, and merchants, as well as being the caretaker of the home.
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2. Think about America. He just suddenly pops up and is white. The previous inhabitants of the continent obviously were not. I think a new nation-tan would just pop up out of the middle of nowhere, like America did, once enough people had come together as the new nation.
3. If you want some historical context, Aztec culture was very masculine. Women weren't worth much. Most of the gods were male, as well.
Also, Malinche is kind of seen as the mother of the raza mezcla, being the woman who acted as translator and helped Cortes defeat the Aztecs. She bore him a son.
She herself had been a slave of the aztecs after being kidnapped as a child from a neighboring tribe. (In which she had some sort of social standing, it seems. She was rather well educated.)
The Spanish had a lot of help in defeating the aztecs because they had basically overtaken all of the peoples around them, terrorized them, enslaved them, and pretty much made their lives miserable.
And then smallpox hit and killed like, 90% of the people in central and south america. No joke. The Spanish didn't even have to "conquer" after their first exploits into the region because they'd just walk right into towns full of dead, rotting corpses because there was no one left alive to bury those who had died. The remaining peoples ended up enslaved (de facto) by the Spanish in the name of christianizing them and teaching them how to be productive (like farming, working on their plantations, and mining precious metals until the mines collapsed on them).
Depressing history is depressing.
OH AND THEN THE SPANISH KIND OF LIKE, SUCKED AT RULING COLONIES. So all of the people of spanish decent in them rebelled because there was some dumbass law that said that if you were born anywhere outside of Spain, you were somehow inferior to those born on Spanish soil, despite if your parents were 100% white Spaniards fresh off the boat.
And England kind of stole all Spain's gold. And so did France. Because they were pirates. *gigglesnort*
Then England took the rest of Spain's gold through the industrial revolution and making all sorts of nifty machines that Spain had to have.
And then England used this wealth to take over more colonies. Except he didn't suck so badly at it (like, you know, making sure all the native peoples were fed, building schools, letting local governments keep most of the daily control... I could go on. England really just wanted exclusive trading rights, because buying and selling was a whole lot more profitable than just raping the land of all of its natural resources and people. He really could have cared less about anything other than money. XD)
/RANT
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1.There are still some people from Aztec decent here in Mexico, but it's whole culture is considered as dead. Like in America or Egypt. The culture it had before isn't completely dead and people still have relatives form those times, but they're now considered as a whole another counrty. Most probably, the nation for Aztec DID die, but Spain was the one responsible for that. Let's just say that maybe the new nation-tan that is Mexico probably has a reminder from her/his mother/father, Aztec, but probably doesn't remember anythign about him/her.
2. I don't think a nations could do that to a human. My personal headcanon for this is that humans raped humans, Spain raped Aztec (depressing yes. But that's how it went)
3. As said before, woman weren't so important as men before, and that still continues a little in Mexico now-a-days (sadly)
Also, present day Mexico is a lot like Italy. It's north and south are very different. I undersatand if you don't want to create a whole another character, but I still tell you to keep in mind that a country like Mexico would be too much for just one person, even if being a nation-tan.
/will try not to rant, for she has been planning a rant for about 4 years now, and has lots of stuff to say that's better left inside.
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2) Colonials America and Canada were depicted as white guys, so it won't be a leap for Mexico to follow the same... no need for human x country breeding.
3) I'd leave that up to you.
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1) I think that YES, without a doubt. My headcanon is that a nation lives on as long as there are people identifying with that nation. There are blood descendants of the aztecs, but none of them consider themselves aztec anymore.
There's a catch, though; through Prussia, we know nations can live on if they change what they represent; in other words, if they evolve with the times and become another entity on their land (also seen with Romano and the UK brothers somewhat). Perhaps Aztec-tan became Mexico-tan?
2)Very personal headcanon here, but I believe that no, nations can't impregnate humans. Even mpreg between nations is up for debate. I like to believe the last one is true, but not the former.
However, there are some fan theories and suggestions (I love this fandom, guys ^^) about children between a nation and a human becoming very influential people for the nation (Lincoln, Hitler, Thatcher, Stalin, and artists like Marilyn, the Beatles, Shakespeare, DaVinci, Duchamp...) and those children lived with fake parents that pretended to be their real ones *shrug*
3) Personally, I go with the vibe I get from the nation. But that probably changes depending on what country you are from. As a Spanish, for example, I see Mexico, Ecuador, Guatemala and Bolivia as female, Argentina, Chile, Brazil and Venezuela as male, Colombia depends on the day, and Paraguay and Uruguay as either gender twins just because it amuses me they sound so similarXD. But I've seen many male Mexico-tans, too, and many of the males in the cast I'd originally have portrayed female *shrug*
The pre-colombine empires are a bit hard; Himaruya tends to make all modern empires male (as seen by Rome, Spain, France, England, America, Russia); but when you look at the past, you get Ancient Greece and Ancient Egypt, who were both women, and China, who's a male. Dunno
Hope I was any help...? ^^U
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Depressing history is depressing.
they DID christianize them, thoughXD
OH AND THEN THE SPANISH KIND OF LIKE, SUCKED AT RULING COLONIES. So all of the people of spanish decent in them rebelled because there was some dumbass law that said that if you were born anywhere outside of Spain, you were somehow inferior to those born on Spanish soil, despite if your parents were 100% white Spaniards fresh off the boat.
Actually, the Spanish sucked at this as much as Britain with the USA: they gave the colonies too much freedom (according to the times) to control them adecuately. Also, these revolutions happened after FOUR CENTURIES. Did they suck so much? 400 years they held them. That's a lot of years to suck at holding an empire.
The spanish descendants that rebelled did it pretty much for the same reasons the Americans did: why let a nation some way over the ocean decide what happens here? let us decide what happens here! Not because they were considered anything less than people born in the continent. Hell, most of the had been educated in Spain
Then England took the rest of Spain's gold through the industrial revolution and making all sorts of nifty machines that Spain had to have.
Not true either. The age of privateers was very short lived, and when Spain started to fade, those privateers became a problem for the English and attacked British ships.
Spain's gold was lost not because of fearsome pirates but poor money managing: it arrived at our ports and sailed away almost immediately, mostly to the Netherlands and rich bankers who supported our ridiculously long, hard, pointless and ultimately fail wars in Flandes.
And then England used this wealth to take over more colonies. Except he didn't suck so badly at it (like, you know, making sure all the native peoples were fed, building schools, letting local governments keep most of the daily control... I could go on. England really just wanted exclusive trading rights, because buying and selling was a whole lot more profitable than just raping the land of all of its natural resources and people. He really could have cared less about anything other than money. XD)
Frankly, not true either. Britain many a time decided to completely erradicate the native people and install its own population. Or took over the government, raping the land of its natural resources and acquired exclusive traduing rights, all in one. And it worked brilliantly, of course: it extinguished any possible rebellion against them and/or worked with the "original authorities" in some asian places, so the people wouldn't really get angry because, you know, your "designed by God monarch" is the one that decided to let us in, folks.
But in reality, there was much more racism and second-class citizenship in their colonies than in the Spanish ones; and this racism even continued to the 20th century ones that Britain still held before the empire collapsed after WWII
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