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China pairings: RoChu vs. NiChu?! Or others...???

I usually don't post to the community (though I do manage stalking it most of the time) but I'm having a serious Hetalia crisis here!!!! China is one of my absolute favourite characters but for the longest time, I've never really concerned myself with a China pairing. IKR UNACCEPTABLE. But for some reason, I had this epiphany a week ago and suddenly realised: I NEED A PAIRING FOR CHINA. So can somebody please make suggestions or something? Hopefully with a rationale for why...because the thing is, I'm kinda not sure whether to ship RoChu or NiChu. And since I'm unsure about those two pairings, maybe if someone mentions some other pairing (that's not too crack) then I'll like that pairing instead. You prolly should know that I ship USUK and my OTP is PruHun so keep that in mind? So, basically, post convincing arguments for your favourite China pairing. I'd appreciate it if somebody could elaborate on NiChu and RoChu (i mean like the dynamic and why it "makes sense" and that kind of stuff)

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You. . .don't need a reason to ship anything. And you don't need to ship only one thing for China. You can ship as many as you want, as long as you're into them, and it's not unacceptable to not consider pairings because lots of people don't even ship(and others are the opposite--I, for example, am a multi-shipper and ship most everything.) Just ship whatever you want and like every pairing that you want to. Pairings don't need to "make sense" either--sure, some people prefer pairings that "make sense", but there isn't any absolute necessity for it. And you don't really need anyone else's help or confirmation or permission to ship something, either. If you like both, ship both! It shouldn't be so complex.

Just my two cents. And, as mod, before anyone comments on this, PLEASE REMEMBER RULE ONE. And that is "play nice." Do not start bashing anybody's ships or bashing them for their ships, or bashing any characters, either. State your reasons, discuss things, yes, but no bashing and hating and such. Like the rule says "don't be a jerk about it" please!

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haha, thanks for that, really. I'm not trying to bash ppl or anything. It's just that I'm having a hard time deciding which pairing to ship for China. The thing with me and shipping is that I need a pairing that makes (since this is Hetalia) historical sense and, if not, then at least a dynamic that I can work with. Hopefully, a complex dynamic too (I'm a fanfic author xDDD this is partly because I need to solve my fic idea dilemmas). Thanks for your comment, really, and I've considered shipping both RoChu and NiChu but for some reason, I can't do it. There's certain pairings I can ship at the same time, like USUK and PrUK, but I really do think it's because I feel like China is the kind of character that goes either one way or the other (I'm not going to go too deep into a character analysis. It'll fry my brain at this hour. TT-TT). And honestly, I just need to get over this threshold right now and find some inner peace...so...ALEIFJA;ELIFAELIRHJASLEIR.

It's no trouble and I didn't mean you! But anything regarding shipping can lead to wank and I'd like to avoid that because this isn't the place for that. And Hetalia doesn't make all that much historical sense, itself. Even Himaruya's said that, for the sake of the story, he has done things like present things out of order. And just about anything can make historical sense(RussiaxLiechtenstein, for example--after WWII, Liechtenstein gave asylum to what I believe was about 500 Russian soldiers. These soldiers were fighting against the Soviet soldiers. Liechtenstein resisted the Soviet Union's extradition demands and continued to house the soldiers for two years or so before allowing them to leave for whatever country they wanted--it was the only country to resist the demands. Also they built a cute little monument in Liechtenstein in honor of their kindness.) if you look around at things and do your research. But, again, you don't need just one ship. I think that the problem with why you can't ship China with multiple characters is because you're considering the pairings coexistant? Like, RoChu and NiChu in the same world, going on at or around the same time. So he would be going one way or the other--that's what we have multiple universes and planes of thought and time periods for. (No worries, I understand! No need to overthink so early in the morning/late at night.)

But, really, you're asking others--and plenty of shippers can come up with infinite amount of reasons for why they like a pairing and why it works and, especially for these two, there's a lot of historical moments to work with(being that Russia and China are neighbors and China was one of the first countries to interact with Japan ~~I. . .think I don't know much about that history haha~~, a long time ago, so you have a lot to think about and research and such--and then there's culture and the actual characters' personalities/relationships/etc.) And, really, with all those reasons, I think you might just fall deeper into conflict haha. orz Especially since you, yourself, might not agree with every reason. That's why shipping is something for you to decide on--sure, someone can get you into or out of a ship, but you really should develop or research your own reasons and think about the characters themselves, too--outside assistance can help, but it'll confuse you, too. ;w;

Whatever you end up doing, I hope you can reach your inner peace(please don't let your turmoil disrupt your sleep!) And I'm sorry for tl;dr-ing at you at this hour! ;3; I don't really actively ship either one, so I can't be of any real assistance, so I hope someone comes along to actually offer you real advice and helps you out.

Thing with using history for justification is that it's so ambivalent.

I ship Den/Svi like mad and all they've done is bite out each other's throats for centuries when they were still empires. But I guess that makes the whole make-up thing during WWII all the more sweeter.

For China/Japan, there's also a lot of conflict. But. There's still conflict now, and when the conflict becomes personal, the pairing just loses it's appeal for me.

Any justification is ambivalent(am I even using that word right? It's 6:30 AM and I haven't slept yet--I was going to sleep but I. . .think I got bored.) The reasoning you have to ship or not ship it could do the opposite for someone else.

I, personally, don't mind conflict. Adds a dynamic to the relationship--no relationship is perfect(and those that are generally don't make very interesting reads) and just because there's a lot of conflict doesn't mean they, themselves, are fighting all the time. You could also the conflicts as nation things while their relationship is a solely human-like one(and thus presenting the conflict of personal life vs "job.")

But, yeah, it's pretty up in the air and dependent on the person.

I feel like I'm missing the point or not making any sense haha orz /tries to sleep for real now

Well yeah, shipping is so obscenely based on personal preference it'll be like trying to justify your preference for chicken instead of beef, on account of it having a generally more pleasant taste. That being said, though, I do believe there's an extent to which there is objective merit towards certain justifications as opposed to others. But then we'd have to make the distinction between the merit which the premise already held and the subsequent arguments. But that is so very tangentially related to shipping I'm not even sure how I got to this topic. xD

The balance between their human-like relationship and relationship as diplomatic nation-states are interesting though. So many interpretations.

Agreed with tarafishes. You don't really need any good reason to ship anything. Though most of what I ship has historical basis.

For the asian countries, I tend not to ship them with anyone either. I love China, Japan and Thailand, but I've never really thought to "ship" them with anyone, per say. It seems redundant, unless I'm RPing them or something.

I dislike RoChu because, well, reasons. I don't know much about Ancient Russo-Sino relations, but the comradeship between communist China and USSR never really became anything more than tangential "oh well they aren't our enemies!" Let's not forget China derived their ideology not from Comitern but from Marxist proletariat who seemed keen on revolutionary that, whilst parallel to that in Russia, is so removed from western politics that you could hardly derive a connection.

I just don't see it.

As for NiChu, I'm even more ambivalent on that. But I would ship it. It's my heritage, after all. :'> I just wish the Chinese did a better job of protecting their culture, and developing values that are less familial centered. But the relationship between the two have always been pretty interesting, from Japan being what's considered the barbarian nation to developing their own culture and even Mitogaku philosophy, which placed Nihonkoku, instead of Chuukoku (which by it's very name, middle nation) as the center of the divine realms and civilization. Unfortunately for China, things went pear shaped from there, losing the Opium war and racked with civil war, and Japan, meanwhile, modernizing and consolidating their power after a relatively peaceful Meiji Insurrection. They have such a long ass history together.

See the problem with shipping anything with the asians is that I get politics and history and personal feelings mixed up with the lot. I feel much better just shipping some removed part of the world where I have no ancestry.

I'm sorry I didn't mean it to be a history lesson. If I got anything disastrously wrong, feel free to tell me.

I'd just like to point out one thing you said there that is partly untrue. The Chinese communist govt. was actually set up by the Soviets in the beginning and remained in Soviet "control" (like, basically, listened to everything the soviets said) until later on when their own leaders began to take control, most notably Mao. That's also the reason why if you only read the stuff that the Chinese govt. puts out then that part of the history is NOT in the books because it was before Mao took over. They trick everyone into thinking that Mao was this important leader since the very beginning, but really he only came to power much later.
Okay, yeah, I have a very deep obsession/conflict with the Chinese govt. myself. But I digress. Yeah, as far as RoChu, Sino-Russian relations have been treaty-based from the start, when in the Qing Dynasty, Catherine the Great of Russia drew some lines saying "oh, so this is where our countries are split" and later on during the age of Imperialism russia kept biting at Manchuria for a warm (ish) water port and whatnot. But as someone who's lived in china for a large part of her life, I do know that Russian culture has a profound impact on Chinese culture. My grandfather, for eg, studied in Russia and is in love with Russian literature and music and stuff. A lot of early western influence in China came from Russia, including language, since like now, we all learn English, but back then in China, everyone learned Russian as the second language. There are also Russian folk songs that children in China know as kids (like that one song I've known the lyrics to since forever) and Russian literature/poems are more widely known in China than in the US apparently. Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Alexander Pushkin's genius poetry....etc etc. so there's much to justify RoChu with there.

Okay, now onto NiChu. I actually would love love love having an all-asian pairing (because I feel like China has been so pushed around by the west for so long that it's just a bit conflicting to pair him with westerners, tho chinese ppl in general love americans cuz they're rich. and ONLY because they're rich. sry alfie x3). I actually do find Japan and China compatible, especially since they've interacted since like FOREVER and Chinese used to be this privileged language that Japanese nobles and w/e would all know and write chinese poems during the tang dynasty just to feel like they're awesome xD (thx japan). That pairing would be really cute but my issue with NiChu is that WWII destroys EVERYTHING. I can say this outright that Japan has NOT been forgiven in China for the atrocity it has wracked on the Chinese people and since I've read about some pretty graphic stuff that were direct confessions from old Japanese soldiers of completely MONSTROUS AND INHUMANE (think Holocaust, my friend) things they've done, I can completely understand why the Japanese are not forgiven. But...Japan the country during WWII is only a part of Japan the country all throughout history, and Japan the country through all its history is what Japan the character Honda Kiku is, so there's probably some interesting dynamic there.

We were discussing this today. :P

Only tangentially, but regardless I've started compiling my notes on this area. From what I can see, before the May Fourth Movement, the CPC was basically nonexistent, and I haven't come across much Comitern involvement apart from some very intermittent funding. Oh! And the founding/funding of the Socialist Youth Foundation by Voinitsky. Once Mao came to power was when they really separated; though it was nominally based on Marxism, it became removed from Stalin's ideology since Mao believed in centralization power through agrarianism whereas Stalin purported the rise of the proletariat. And further on, whereas the Nationalists had (again, intermittent, but still, existent) military funding from the USA from the civil war, the CCP were mainly alone. But still managed to win the Civil War. They were smart (and really took the support of the peasants to heart).

I actually haven't read any historiography from China - apart from Hsu. But Hsu is pretty much western, considering his education. And have the seen the thickness of dat tome? Damn.

And yeah, the rape of Nanjing was really brutal. I haven't researched into Sino-Japanese relations in depth, but the parallelism there is pretty interesting, considering Japanese modernization as opposed to China's continual conflict between the nationalists and the communists.

History makes me both excited and very very sad.

Edited 2012-08-08 03:05 (UTC)

Haha, yeah I agree with you. I actually get most of my Chinese revolutionary era knowledge directly from my parents and whatnot, so it's kinda different getting it first hand (and sometimes second hand like stuff my grandparents told my parents, my parents told me). But from what I know (which is a LOT but it's really really spread out with chunks here and there. I've never systematically studied this since I can't really trust most western sources anyway), the Comitern actually initially set up the CPC but it was really really tiny. They tried to remain in control of it but it kinda just...broke up...I mean Mao wasn't actually the guy to break it off it was some...UGH I'M FORGETTING THAT GUY'S NAME it's like two-character long...and then some other pre-Mao leaders that I totally am blanking on *hits self*
okay, yeah anyway about them winning the civil war, it's not actually as heroic as the Communist govt. make it out to be. The truth was that (you hafta read obscure information that combines like western AND Chinese history books...I got it from a book my dad read written by a English couple, I love you England. The husband is a Brit and the wife is Chinese and they spent eight years piecing together some very gruesome truth about what happened back then via like mostly first-hand sources...and when I say gruesome I mean it should be restricted to anybody who is the least bit naive about the world -_-') during WWII, most chinese ppl generally consider that the communist govt. did the majority of the fighting and Jiang Shek-Pai's (you know what idk his "english" name. in chinese it's Jiang Jie Shi 蒋介石 ^^') epically failing Guo Ming Dang basically was weak although they were funded by America and ran away when the enemy came. It was true that there was a great amount of inefficiency in the Guo Ming Dang system and its army, since different sects were only loyal to the specific general that lead their sect and competed against each other, etc, etc, in-fighting, but they did actually do MOST of the fighting. This gave the rag-tag Red Army a chance to regroup and hire all of the peasants meanwhile and obliterate Guo Ming Dang after WWII ended. I mean, well, Jiang Jie Shi was really stupid because he gave up Manchuria I totally hate that guy for being a total idiot and letting Japan have that HUGE HUGE CHUNK OF CHINA FOR FREE (TT-TT China...). But his army wasn't all sucky..although he also stole all those valuable things from the Forbidden City...and create mass inflation...O.o

Hhrm.

I guess I was just sort of undermining the folks who enjoy plopping China and Russia as commie!bros. Mao and Stalin, who were the main influential leaders, didn't get along very well at all, and their ideology was different. xD I'd say that Sun Yet Sen actually had a much larger influence in the spreading of socialist ideology than Comitern did. What with his three principles: Nationalism, Democracy and... well being of the people?

I need to recheck that. Sun Yet Sen was the only person I enjoyed reading about. Really. He was awesome.

With the civil war, it was definitely a culmination of an entire plethora of factors; Sino-Japanese war, worsening social and economic problems in the Nationalists (mass inflation you were mentioning), the fact that the Second United Front actually gave the CCP a chance to regroup, Ya'an rectification movement which decentralized Chiang's power, etc etc. Goes on. America actually called a ceasefire in 1946 and rescinded all their support, which pretty much just destroyed GMD's cause.

I prefer Nichu (but also, Mongolia/China but the fanbase is so small and there's barely any fanworks ;___;) - there's a certain artist who no longer marks her nation personifications as Hetalia who does /really/ good Nichu art with many different moods and historical knowledge. Her Pixiv gallery is here (http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=3069928) but you have to sign up and enable r-18 images to see everything. If I could access Mediafire I'd link you to a HUGE archive of her art I zipped up.

My main draw to this pairing is the headcanon I've developed for it.
Humans come and go, other nation come to ruin, old habits change. The idea that Kiku has this person who used to be the center of his world while little else was constant and wanted to "grow up" to prove he could be a worthy partner to. Human beings cannot fully comprehend being in love and out of love with the same person for over a millennium is like - but I can only imagine.

China is a country that has seen multiple foreign invasions, fragmentations, and civil wars. Yao - would he be needy? Would he take in a child to raise so that he also has something constant in his life (other than his identity). Another reminder that his civilization is (or was) THE civilization.

Kiku - I think he's selfish, filled with anger, confused. Typical young man.
He was bitter when the Mongol Empire forcibly married Yao. He wanted to possess, fully - now remember the invasion of Korea (http://www2.hawaii.edu/~sford/research/turtle/index.html)? Kiku didn't want to subordinate himself - he wanted to be thought of as an equal or a master, not a tributary or a court boytoy.
He was bitter when England did his thing and probably knew that England thought poorly of him for not being a "civilized" European, even when they became allies.

And Yao, I don't think Yao's personality and memories have stayed intact through the millennia - especially not after WWII. Kiku has this dilemma that this person he was in love in has changed so much it's like a doppelganger replaced him. During his years of isolation he developed an idealized version of Yao which was shattered once he was forced out of isolation by America and was able to travel to other countries again.

But ultimately I feel these two have very compatible personalities and interests. Kiku's collected personality vs Yao's abundance of energy balance each other. I forgot his name but there's a famous Japanese actor who got his career boost acting the villain in Chinese patriotic movies. He has a Chinese wife and a happy marriage, but he's virtually unknown in America T_T

Also I find East Asian men (and uniforms, sorry) to be the most attractive - it's probably a genetic pre-disposition more than anything.

I was born in China and have always had this sense that other countries are making the cool stuff...my first favorite TV show was "Honeybee Hutch" (I thought it was domestically-produced but nooooo it was an anime).

Ever since the 80's Japanese cartoons have been aired in China and have been a pervasive influence - it's more socially acceptable to have anime merchandise in your house and it's not hard to come by. My grandparents own a few things that would be considered too "girly" or more accurately "kawaii" in the States, like a thermos with Hamtaro characters on it. I remember reading an article where some Japanese politician called my "Ba Ling Hou" generation tsundere because most of them have had patriotic education about The War but are susceptible to foreign soft power. I have a cousin who happens to be a Hetalia fan and likes Japan more than Russia or Korea despite being put through the Chinese education system.

My parents grew up when China was not a rising power and consider Japanese products to be better (because they're more expensive and have more safety regulations). I remember reading a Youtube comment that "Japan helped them modernize [in the 80's]" - the aesthetics (color sense, socially acceptable fashion, use of mascots, beauty standards) in this country are more like Japan's than America's obviously. It probably is an uneven relationship...

I've talked to people from the Japanese Hetalia fandom, well the ones who like Yao. The difference between their view of Yao-land and Yong Soo-land is that they have a cultural debt to Yao-land - but most of them don't like the Chinese government at all. I was linked to an opinion poll where Chinese people have a more positive opinion of Japan than the other way around...

If you want a Nichu fic that exemplifies my headcanon, here's (http://sinousine.tumblr.com/post/19804045980/japan-china-doujin-hai-zhi-bi-an#note-container) the scanlation of a doujin called "Hai Zhi Bi An". It has certain historical inaccuracies and quips (Japan calling him "Brother" when I think he'd never do that if it didn't personally benefit him for example) but it's the only Nichu fic I've ever seen that mentions the Mongol Empire's role in their relationship ;___;

In truth, Chinese people gravitate towards America the most, at least the ones I've met. University students want to study in America, get an American citizenship because America has the cool shows and the $$$. The same second cousin says he wants to go to school in America. I consider the university I go to be lackluster in terms of general ed but it's apparently very highly-regarded in China and has a lot of overseas students. Yao and Alfred are cute together...I recommend this fic (http://gotosleeplisse.livejournal.com/15550.html).

ooh! thank you for mentioning mongolia. i love all your insight on china pairings since i really haven't delved into it so much tho I'm chinese myself (i mean obviously ive delved into actual chinese history just not the hetalia pairings). Okay, well, idk i was actually considering Mongolia's relationship with china the other day, but since I'm an avid history-person since like...childhood (no srsly my dad read me Shui Hu and San Guo and OMFG Sun Wu Kong was like my god no joke!!!!!! but that's not really history... xD) I asked around and most chinese ppl feel super antagonistic towards Mongolia and the Yuan Dynasty. Some chinese historians don't even consider Yuan a Chinese dynasty, since the Mongolians were really quite horrible. They created a caste system in which Mongolians were top dog and the Hans were obviously bottom. which didn't work very well for them since the Hans BY FAR outnumbered them. I mean, I guess you can say that the Manchurians learned their lesson from the Mongolians since they Han-ified their own cultured to keep control of the empire. But I digress.

Okay, so onto NiChu. I agree with what you said about the cultural influences and whatnot, but I really really don't appreciate what they did in WWII. I mean cmon that was...ASELFIJAS;ELIFALEIURA <--- Scary face to go with the sound. and well, most ppl would consider japanese products better if not some of the most awesome in the world (since the japanese have a knack for making detailed and high quality things) but I can haven't actually found a single chinese person yet in our parents' generation who would say that they "forgive" the Japanese for what they did in the war. I personally am not sure whether I even fully and completely forgive them. Well, one thing's for sure is that Himaruya prolly thinks that they did wrong because of his strip on Japan backstabbing China (thank you Hima I love you very much). I can also understand how the Japanese (in fact, ANYBODY) dislike the Chinese govt. I'm not a big fan myself, since they've killed more ppl than the Soviets which is...really quite mind-boggling. 36 million in that Great Starvation (idk the english name). THIRTY SIX MILLION. So I personally feel like Yao would very much dislike the chinese govt too. I mean, he represents the chinese ppl and after all, the government is NOT CHINA and never WILL BE no matter how hard they try to knock that into everyone's heads with propaganda.

Also check my special Tumblr tags:
http://sinousine.tumblr.com/tagged/real%20life%20nichu
http://sinousine.tumblr.com/tagged/japanese%20influence%20on%20china (nsfw if you scroll down far enough)

http://sinousine.tumblr.com/tagged/chuugoku%20yome%20nikki (translations of a webcomic about an otaku who scored a pretty wife from Dalian, orz)

Uck, I actually like both. (ikr that;s bad) But NiChu is not the best for me because of some atrocities Japan did to China during WWII. Russia/China has some conflict as well, especially during the strained relationship during the Cold War and the Sino-Soviet split. Howeer, I consider RoChu to be better since Russia technically didn't do anything too bad to China... except taking a chunk of China out when it was still a republic. DX Really, it's up to you; ship as many as you want, as long as you like it.

You don't have to ship anything, and you can ship multiple things. I have countless ships for some characters (like Hungary), and none at all for others (like Latvia).

Personally I ship Russia/China and S. Korea/China, if you're curious, though.

You don't have to ship if you don't want to, or you can just ship everything with China! I kind of do that with France.
Though if you really just want one pairing with China, maybe try to look into some fanfictions or fanart and see what you like. Personally, I have a hard time shipping China because there's the part of me that ships him with Russia, and then there's the part of me that ships him with India or some other character, so I'm pretty lax with China x whoever.

omg thx guys i didnt expect all this serious talk i thought it'd just be a light conversation or something!!! But thanks for all the comments I really appreciate it. I think I'll be able to work something out now. I feel like all pairings have faults, and when I said historically accurate i just meant there's a lot of historical proof, not just a tiny bit. I do realise history is twisted and that hetalia is...well, complicated if u were to look at it as something non-comedic xD. the truth is I just needed to decide on a pairing for a new story I'm trying to write (fanfiction author!!!) for China and also an afterstory/sidestory for a PruHun/USUK fic that I've already pretty much finished. xDDD China used to be my no-ship character because...well I think it's because he's MY COUNTRY (I AM AN OFFICIAL CITIZEN <3). But when I started on the thought of writing him a fic I kinda got stuck because I was like "NO WHAT SHOULD I DO" not because I don't wanna ship him with anyone but because I got stuck between RoChu and NiChu. I mean I actually find that I like those two pairings once I kinda think about it. It's always been somewhere deep down...ANEWAYZ thanks for all the conversation!! :DDD

I'd like to throw in a mention for America/China<\b>. Not only makes it very interesting on historical terms, with all the convulsed Chinese history with the western powers in the 19th century and the building of railroads that connected all the US, and also the middle position of China in the Cold War (I'm a huge fan of RoChuAme as a threesome going all ways and both ways), but it's also very present nowadays. Both countries are currently obsessed and fascinated with each others, but there's also a kind of tension and expectancy, feeling both threatened and curious about the other.

Additionally there's the delicious contrast between the youngest and the oldest of the great powers, a rising empire and one in decandece. The whole debt thing is very kinky, and they're both silly strong, which adds more spice.

i'm also a huge USUK fan, but this is a pairing hard to resist!

Oooh! Actually I find AmericaxChina a very interesting ship. I mean, well I guess for most ppl it's just a normal ship but for me, it's the two countries that I've lived in and know the most about. I mean, I have both of their cultures with me (x3 I love them) and I think that it's actually an achievable couple. I personally disagree with some of Hima's characterisation of China because he kind of makes China seem like he actually supports censorship and the current govt. and whatnot. But I think China would be way more dejected about his current situation. I mean, Yao represents "China" the country that has been there since like forever and forever thousands of years ago, not Communist China that's been there for like whut, sixty years? So I think that America, instead of going "EFFING COMMIES" he would be really sympathetic, since he is the sunny, optimistic (and pampered...by his frikin huge amount of natural resources!!!!) kind of person. :))) And I think you're right about the age gap. And that is a HUGE HULKING AGE GAP. Haha. China is a living fossil. :3 <3 And well, the cold war in general I feel like would seriously be a huge tragedy in the world of Hetalia, with the world split up like that...

But my reason for not shipping that couple is because a.) USUK!!!!! and b.) I find it awkward since I've lived in both those countries. It always feels like I'm being biased or something xDDDDDDD

Great to know you're interested! It always makes me sad that it's so minor and unknown, because the huge ships take it all like in all fandoms. I'm no one to complain, as my favourite pairings are all major -USUK, FrUK, AmeRus- but hey, this is one interesting couple, and they actually get along incredibly well from what we've seen in the canon (they're both always with the commercial mind on XD).

I do think both countries fascinate each other, and while the Cold War is kind of sad for the world, it is maybe good for this pairing: America becomes truly fascinated with China and tries to court him to ally, and China comes to admire America and imitates some of his things, truly appreciating others. And it ends right now with both at the top pf the world, winking to esch other and directing world politics.

But yeah, I can see how this could be strange for you hehe. Though what better way not to be biased than having them both together? ;)
Also a big fan of USUK here, and FrUK as my main favourite. You can support more than one pairing for the same nation! With nations like America, with so many relations nowadays, it's almost a given. I actually think nations have phases with the others, like America going crazy for British stuff a few decades back or nowadays, when it seems his closest economic ally, worst threat and the country to admire and copy -and fear and beware, which is spicy- is China (while China, as someone said above, is feeling kind of the same!)

Multi-pairings are fun! They're easier than OTPs. :/

According to a Chinese girl on Deviant Art, the gratitude of the Chinese to the Russians during the RoChu phase was immense. The Russians were like savior angels according to her older family. She says most Chinese doujinshis depict their breakup as Russia dumping China (and China brokenhearted etc), but she thinks history supports more China dumping Russia (because he wasn't as angelically perfect anymore?) with forcefullness. Though it did break China's heart.

Most of the Asian people say they like the people and culture, just not the government, so you can ship them with China easily--with them having to sneak around forbidden loves against their Bosse's wishes? LOL

The Chinese girl I was speaking of also ships China and America to a certain extant. For her, America is an obnoxious child that China is partnering with and plays pingpong with to help him lose weight. So, very competitive and age-based with a touch of China's own obnoxious parental love. :)

India and China are even more competitive though! I don't know a lot of their history together, but it's long! And India sees itself as China's rival..

An obscure one that I thought of lately is China and Egypt. Two of the most ancient cultures! If you google their relations, there's a long page from the Egyptian government about how friendly and old their friendship is!

yeah you're right about the us liking their culture. But the thing is that it also appears like a lot of Russians are racist towards the Chinese...at least according to many chinese ppl i know who've been to russia... TT-TT But yes I personally am also affected by Russian culture. I like their music style and literature <3 Not their weather tho... O.o hehe xD
Idk about China and Egypt...
India and China, I personally don't see because the most recent war and because, well...eh ^^' I as a chinese individual know that indians and chinese don't actually have that much historical interaction as opposed to say, japan and china.
China and America is...hehe very cute. but....O.o i've lived in both these countries...it's..AWKWARD.

Oh yes. One of the bad things I've heard from black Americans and Asian Americans is that Russians have thrown rocks at them in Moscow. :(

More history research, I guess? ^_^ People got REALLY into England/China for a while. Spice road and all, with Europe. The Opium wars broke it up, but the British parliament was actually not real happy about those. (I like to joke that China's current interest in the South China Sea is China playing pirate to cheer up Hong Kong missing England. "I rule the Seven Seas, arrrrru!")

I might be a bit late to jump in here, but this just has been so interesting to read! Like everyone's been saying, you absolutely don't have to have a ship :) I personally love love love China too (tied for Number 1 for my favourite) and initially had a hard time with ships for him.
Like it's been mentioned before, I'm not really a fan of NiChu because of some of the huge issues between Japan and China historically, especially the war crimes committed in WWII, and I personally feel like that would be to big a rift to heal. However, I do like them in a platonically brotherly way, even if their relationship is strained at times.
RoChu I've actually never thought about too much. I just sort of accepted it once I came into the fandom and thought the dynamic was pretty fun (and the Treaty of Good-Neighborliness and Friendly Cooperation is about the cutest sounding treaty name ever). Sino-Soviet relations are very interesting though, so I'll probably do a bit more research before I decide :)

I have a soft spot for IggyChu, like majorly. The relationship between England and China breaks my heart, but I'm a sucker for angsty stuff like that! I also just like to think that sometimes they'd just get together to drink tea and bitch about their families!

Good luck with deciding <3

I ship china with three person
S.koreaxchina: it's mentioned in the manga.. korea like has a one sided crush towards china
Rochu
Nichu

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