http://kaorugalante.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] kaorugalante.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] hetalia2011-05-26 07:09 pm

[Question] Old Fritz?

Hey Hetalia Community~

Sort of a random question but I was hoping someone here would know.  I'm writing a paper for my European History class about Frederick II and I was just really curious.  I know in Hetalia he is refered to as "Old Fritz" and I kinda want to incorporate this into my paper, but I can't find any real concrete sources for this info.  The most I can find is Wikipedia saying it's the English equivalent to what he was called in German- "Der Alte Fritz."  I thought that I had read in a comment on a strip where Prussia mentions him that this was his nickname and was hoping there was some source for it.
It's not really a big deal, but if someone could link me to it or knows of some other credible source it would be much appreciated.

Thank you!

[identity profile] kenichi-bokushi.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
Time Magazine referred to him as Old Fritz in a book review. (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,779353,00.html)
The Economist also referred to him as Old Fritz. (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-11054292.html)
Both articles were written long before Hetalia even existed.

[identity profile] esonador.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
I study history, so don't worry, he was know as Der Alte Fritz and Old Fritz is totally fine :) At least it was fine when we talked about him in school :)

[identity profile] yolapeoples.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
I spotted "Old Fritz" and instantly read your post. So I went and re-read parts of my handy dandy Prussian History book. :D (I'm a complete fan of Prussian history and of Old Fritz too.)

Sadly, it did not mention the nickname, but I almost expected that. (Its still always nice to have an excuse to read the thing though XD) So, I don't know the actual reason for /why/ Frederick the Great (Friedrich der Große/Friedrich II) was nicknamed "Der Alte Fritz". However, Fritz is a common nickname for Frederick (Friedrich).

Something I found on the web:
"In January 1762 he would be 50 years old and to his troops he was already "Der Alte Fritz."" (http://nevermore.tripod.com/king.html <-- I read a bit of this and its actually quite well-written and very detailed.) The same site claimed that his father, Frederick William (Friedrich Wilhelm I), called him that, but that's not all that weird considering the nickname's pretty common (...such an abusive father, jeez... but I digress).

Well that probably wasn't much help, but if you're worried about the credibility behind the nickname existing, my opinion is that it definitely is real and not something that Hidekaz just made up.
If you need anything else, I'd love to help more! :D *has too much free time these days*
Best of luck with your paper!!
~ Yola

[identity profile] bloodandpepper.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
I guess it will be hard to get a good source for the appearing of that nick name. As far as I know, this name had been given to him in retrospection - and most likely by the common people and the troops where he'd been admired. He's got that nickname till today - especially in Berlin.

(Do you speak some German? Then I could help you out with a literature list.)

[identity profile] juandalyn.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
He is known as "Der alte Fritz"/Old Fritz for sure :)

The "Preußen-Chronik" on rbb online says he got this name because of aging faster after participating in the wars. -> This is probably difficult to read if you don't know German but it actually mentions it. (http://www.preussen-chronik.de/person_jsp/key=person_friedrich+ii.+von_preu%25dfen.html)

(Fritz is a simply nickname for Friedrich).

[identity profile] asuka-304.livejournal.com 2011-05-28 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
Well, hidekaz didn´t made that up, because we really do call him "Der Alte Fritz."
I´m afraid, most of the material will be found in german.