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[Request/Discussion]We need more tags for nations

Dear Hetalia Livejournal and Fandom.

I have recently been very distressed about finding certain nations, and those are the ones that have have had a minor Role in the current Hetalia Fandom and have not yet appeared in a comic or a Cd-Drama

The ones I am talking about are for example

- Luxembourg
- Portugal
- Scotland (only recently)

I say this because they have been mentioned by Himaruya in one or several Blogs.
But they have not had a tag in that post, that way nobody can find the post where he mentioned him for the very first time.

I already had a problem with this, when a nation got a tag in a official blog, but then the Tag got removed because the nation simple didn't make a appearance yet.

For exapmle I can't remember which one it was I believe the one where he made a sketch on Luxembourg without a face. But when I want to search for him I can't click on the Luxembourg tag, I have to scroll across all the official blogs to find the specific one about Luxembourg. Same applies for the Portugal Sketch.

So I want to suggest to the moderators, that Whenever Himaruya even Mentions a nation in one of his Blog that the nation should get a Tag instantly in the Hetalia Livejournal.

I say this because this is a Fandom, and even though there isn't anything official yet we will still wright about them. This isn't a Wikia Page, and if there isn't a official appearance on them, it doesn't mean that they don't deserve a tag.

I hope that the tags will be added or else many fics that where made before the nations formal "official appearance"will go to waste for the fans of those.

Please fellow fans have a discussion on this.
It is only to improve the accessibility for us fans.

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Of course this doesn't count for OC characters only for those that Himaruya mentioned, even if only briefly.

And if the tags don't get added, then it is only fair to remove the Vietnam,Kenya,Bulgaria, Asia3, Australia, Cuprus and many more tags.
Since they only got a brief mention, sketch, and never got a official manga, anime or Cd-drama appearance.

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Uh... Bulgaria, Australia, Cyprus and Kenya are all in official things like the Gakuen game, comic strips or a CD-drama. Bulgaria's even in a brief scene in the anime.

This, man.

As the characters you mentioned have only been mentioned themselves I don't agree that they need tags. There is nothing to go by on them and any fics, art, crafts, cosplay, etc. would really have them pretty much as OCs.

Many of the characters you mentioned have tags because they exists as characters within the series even if it is in sketches, they are still official characters which is why they have tags. Whether or not everyone knows about them because they were only in a Drama CD, for example, does not discount the fact that they are official hetalia characters that are at least partially developed and not only a mere mention.

I personally have nothing against adding the tags for the mentioned nations, but I think your last paragraph is going a bit too far. Just because the nation doesn't have a tag at a livejournal community doesn't mean it's not "recognized" or anything. There's no need to start a drama about something being fair or unfair, right? I don't see a reason why the mods would have to remove Vietnam and co. just because other, less mentioned characters aren't included.

Also, the thing about the countries you mentioned - facts are that they are still far from having a finalized design, while most of the latter ones already do, or are close (like with Vietnam - he's been shown pondering over which kind of hairbun she's supposed to have, or whether her ao dai is white or green - minor details). Maybe that's the deciding point? Just my two cents.

Personally, why should the community add tags for characters that aren't canon yet?

Just because Himaruya mentions them really doesn't mean they're 'official', as shown by the various members of the community taking the images off his blog thinking they were official and then Himaruya retracting and saying he was just sketching ideas.

Communities get only a certain amount of tags before they have to use paid accounts to get more, I'd rather wait till there's official images of said characters before the tag's created.

For the sake of "they should have a tag so that you can search for posts about the few times they were mentioned", I agree.

But that wouldn't work. For example, I cannot use the Australia tag to find his first mention. There's too many fanworks and things posted on top of that to ever find the "first" mention. Pretty sure LJ has a limit of how far back you can search too, so if the mention wasn't recent enough- you'd never be able to access it using tags.

Wasn't Australia on a map in one of the manga volumes as well? I don't actually own vol 3, so I may be remembering wrong, but I thought he and New Zealand were on that little map in it.

Yes, they are both on it as well as Seychelles and Cameroon in terms of southern continents. Also, in terms of disputed Asian nations, Taiwan, Thailand and Hong Kong are all on it as well.

Edited 2011-03-06 18:10 (UTC)

No, they're still in the Czech and Slovakia and North Korea zone, witch means that Himaruya just doesn't know what to do about them yet and it might take years before he does...

Didn't say "first mention" though, said "the few times they were mentioned"... some of them may have had more than one mention, at least it might make it easier to find the last one, if it by chance didn't die from tons of fanwork already. Even if you couldn't find Australia's first mention, maybe it made it easier to find any mention of him at all?
But I dunno, maybe I don't have too good an idea of how this comm is doing anymore, haha...

Honestly, the fastest way to find a character's mentions are the ShoutWikia or just asking at like

aph_request "Hey, where's all the mentions in the blog for so and so?"

A tag system isn't a good searching system when a community is this large. Even a post made two weeks ago could be buried already due to the amount of posts.

If appearing in the official manga isn't enough to earn you your own tag, idk what would. :la

"...still wright about them"

Sorry this was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw that

OK, thanks for the info!
Well then, at least if LJ's tagging system worked better I would still agree.

Also to actually attempt to be serious for a second. I never really was a fan of the "asia3" tag mostly because people tend to submit art with 3 Asians to that tag. But that's my personal preferences.

Just because Himaruya mentioned someone doesn't mean they should automatically get a tag. Just sayin'.

And then going and be like "WELL THESE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T GET TAGS EITHER >:O" is kinda not cool. Just sayin'. ~~Then again I'm just really butthurt at the suggestion of removing Vietnam at all from the tag page so whatever I guess I'm biased~~

I agree that Portugal should have a tag, seeing as he posted potential designs more than once, but other than that I don't really see the point...

I don't agree on them getting tags as they don't have official designs or personalities. I mean, we know Hima-papa's prolly planning on making the whole world (or something close), and then that would mean we'd need a tag for every. Single. Country. And our comm doesn't have the space for that many tags.

Might I suggest having an "unfinalized/mentioned/new character" tag though? so that we can search Hima's official blog posts that just deal with new chars? And could we also get a Macau tag? He was in Bloodbath. There's actually quite a few tags we can delete now guys: asia3, create a character (as I thought the comm dissaproves of OCs), fanart:colouring (redundant and it's never used), digest (WTF is that), fancomic (the comic tag is way more popular), kenya and zimbabwe (IDK, from an unfinished game, so Hima might have totally forgotten about the char), pick between rome and ancient rome, pick between romano and south italy, pick between england and UK (vote for england as that's his personal name as a char, he just also reps the UK).

For those characters that don't often show up, I think if they were in Bloodbath, they are for sure canon. If not, it's debatable on whether or not we should have tags. Maybe we could organize the Italy tags better too: italy for both bros, veneziano for North and Romano for south seeing as those are their official names, and it's kinda biased to call ontly nNorth "italy"... poor Romano...

I agree with all the comments here. No canon, no tag.
If you want to post other stuff than updates by Hima-papa of this nations, like fanart/fic/whatevs, there's still

nationslash - a community for canon characters AND OCs.

*rolls back sleeves*

You want a compilation of first appearance type posts? Lemme know.

There were sketches released relating to Portugal, Luxembourg, Indonesia and Malaysia BUT THEY AREN'T CHARACTERS, THEY'RE BASED ON PEOPLE HIMARUYA KNOWS
http://himaruya.blog61.fc2.com/blog-entry-935.html#more

He then did character designs for a possible Portugal, BUT A FINAL DESIGN HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED.
here and here

An OUTLINE for Luxembourg showed up. That's all.
http://himaruya.blog61.fc2.com/blog-entry-937.html

Same thing for Scotland. He showed an outline and asked "What kind of person do you think he is?"
http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/10183750.html

In anycase, they all have it in common that an official design has yet to be decided, so they aren't quite considered canon yet.

Australia/Asia3
http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/1356647.html
Asia3 tag is confusing if relating to this character, because many people can't agree on who she actually IS.

Australia has appeared here + here, in the 2010 Xmas event, most recently here

Vietnam has appeared a fair amount in various blog sketches.
old, here, here, here, here. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm missing a couple.

Bulgaria, obviously, has been in one comic, which did make it into the anime. he also appeared in the 2010 Christmas event in a "photo".
http://www.horror-vacui.net/hetarchive/scanlation/shorts/hetastreeeem/burusan.jpg

Kenya appeared (with dialogue) in the Hetalia Gakuen game as one of Seychelles classmates along with some other African nations. I've yet to see Himaruya do anything else with them though.
http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/2753593.html#cutid2

Cyprus (TRNC) appeared in the first set of trading cards that Himaruya illustrated. He also had a role in the very first Hetalia Drama CD "Axis Powers Hetalia: The CD"
http://hetalia.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Axis_Powers_Hetalia:_The_CD

So in a way, these characters have all made appearances... (Asia3 is still "what" to me though.) Though their personalities are debatable from their limited information/appearances.

You can also check here for a list of characters that have been mentioned and designed: http://thesikorsky.livejournal.com/8378.html Seems to be missing Portugal though

Yeah, all these characters with tags currently have canon screen time. I'm tired of people trying to discount some of these appearances.

Edited 2011-03-06 19:13 (UTC)

But when Himaruya finally decides the official designs for those characters, wouldn't it be confusing to have all of them together with non-official designs, sketches, original characters and things out of character? ;/

:O This is awesome. Thanks for the links!

No, because Luxembourg, Portugal, and Scotland have only every been mentioned, and they don't have official designs yet. If we had a tag for every nation mentioned on Hima's Blog, that'd be about half the world.

As others have said, I think only canon characters + official character designs should have their own tags. The others, mentioned or not, may or may not exist in the future but, as of now, they don't.

Also, why the anger, OP?

Agreeing with this! Though the Kenya and Zimbabwe tags are kind of inaccurate, since the Africa Class designs weren't supposed to be specific nations. Asia3 was actually a Vietnam draft, since he was thinking of redesigning her hair (still hasn't stopped some from claiming it's Philippines @_@). It looks like he settled on a plain ponytail for her, but he tweaked her eyes some to make her look older and wiser.

Also, TRNC and Cyprus are two different characters. Himaruya might have forgotten about Cyprus though, he's only mentioned in that CD and on a relation chart of Greece's (along with TRNC). He seems to rarely draw TRNC as it is, so we have yet to see what Cyprus looks like.

As for people mentioning Macau...we still don't have solid proof that was Macau in Bloodbath, and I wish someone would have held off on adding him to Shoutwiki, because TVTropes put him up too and even put a Character Alignment trope to that unknown character, and we don't know a thing. It could have very well been Mongolia, if you look closely, there seems to be a braid. And Mongolia's been drawn before as a guy with glasses. I wonder how many fans have asked him about that guy?

TheSikorsky's guide is good for beginners, but also inaccurate and a bit iffy. There's no indication that the native seen in the sketch is a "Native America", and Quebec was just a dream. Portugal's not there, probably because it's also kind of out of date.

Exactly! I'm even iffy about the Shoutwiki marking down every nation mentioned in minor characters. Plus there are some that he's clearly put off due to difficulties, like Ireland, though you have people still hanging on to his "what if" thought of '07 and raging or complaining about her possibly being a girl, or a crybaby (when those were just some ideas).

fff, sorry. I meant TRNC as Northern Cyprus. You're correct, there's no design for Cyprus.

I'm not sure about the full body designs of the Africa Class students, it's just the heads of Kenya and Zimbabwe seemed to match up best with those two sketches. =A= I'm kind of surprised we have tags for them in that case.

Putting aside the Kenya and Zimbabwe being those designs or not- they are still official characters given that they appear as chibi heads and have lines of dialogue in the game. I really don't see why they aren't valid characters when we know things like their favorite food, what they look like, and they have speaking lines.

Also, considering that the Asia class uniform designs included S.Korea and Taiwan, the argument about how no canon nations are used for those designs is pretty much moot anyways.

Edited 2011-03-06 23:33 (UTC)

Well, Macau: http://www.shoutwiki.com/w/images/hetalia/3/30/Initial_Macau.png

I'm adding another appearance of TRNC in the micro-nations sketch:
http://himaruya.blog61.fc2.com/blog-entry-830.html (at the end, stalking for great justice)

First part is true, but that would mean that there should be tags for the other three chibi-head nations (i.e. Uganda, Botswana, and Ghana) either have all five or none of them really.

Yes, Himaruya made Gakuen Pictures of South Korea and Taiwan (and Italy, Spain, America, need I go on?) However, the ones he used for the Gakuen Africa uniforms and some Gakuen Europe designs he posted back in September ARE nothing but clotheshangers (likely to so he could see how they would look with particular skin-tones and face structures). He states as much in the original post (though the link is now lost because of the Megalodon crash /weeps). This is agreed upon by pretty much everyone in fandom except for the few who have a hard time letting go of head-fanon like Maid!Philippines and the LuxPortMalInd designs.

Fine, then the mods should add tags for those three.

This is agreed upon by pretty much everyone in fandom except for the few who have a hard time letting go of head-fanon like Maid!Philippines and the LuxPortMalInd designs.

Are we speaking for the entire fandom here? Most people I've come across consider the African nations canon. Actually, you're the first person I've across who doesn't.

Maid Philippines came from literally NOWHERE. Seriously. It's not even comparable.

A chibi head alone makes the character canon, even ignoring the other aspect.

I'd like to start off by saying that OP really needs to get an award for making pretty much everyone whose responded to this epically facepalm. Seriously take a chill pill and come back when you can make an argument without resorting to Rage!Posting kthx.

I pretty much second everything that jammerlea and vysnia_cerasus have said above, though I'd like to point out that there really should be a differently named tag for "Cyprus" as the character generally seen as "Cyprus" by fandom is really "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" - the
"Cyprus" character who appeared in an early drama CD has yet to get a face, and when he does the tag system as it stands will certainly cause confusion.

That and with the Gakuen Chibiheads we have "Kenya" and "Zimbabwe" tags and we really should have "Botswana", "Ghana" and "Uganda" tags as well considering they appeared no more or no less than the first two.

To appease this I agree that A tag for "unfinished designs" might be a good idea.

NO.
If he just mentions them there is nothing to go on. Whats the personality like? The final design to actually KNOW what he/she looks like? What about the fact that as mentioned above some of these are just sketches?? If the character is just an outline a tag should NOT be added. If that outline gets some screen/page THEN people have something to go on , they know what the finale design is, and they know he WILL be adding it to the Hetalia group (not just briefly mentioning it as an after though type thing).

If a tag is added for a "chibi head" or something like that then it may as well be an OOC!

The chibiheads are canon. They should get their own tags. On that, we are in agreement.

The sketches for the Gakuen uniform designs aren't. Initally people theorized that some of the people in the sketch were the actual characters and other people took this theory at face value and declared that they were. There was a post regarding this a while back but it seems people missed the memo.

Yeah Macau is really one of those Iffy "Is their design complete or not and did they really appear" people. I really wish Himaruya would clarify on this but he seems to enjoy trolling us too much (see: New Zealand's gender)

Though now that I think about it who really cares. (I certainly don't). Have all five get tags and let people decide for themselves whether the uniform sketches are the characters or not. /shrugs

...lolno. These characters that are either just mentioned but not designed or don't have an official final design settled on are not on the same level as characters like Vietnam, Kenya, Bulgaria, Thailand, etc who have official designs. And lmfao Bulgaria's even appeared in the anime with a speaking line. Until something official is settled on, these are still in OC territory.

Besides, what would you suggest for people who have differing opinions on which Portugal design they like? Portugal fans that like female Portugal shouldn't have to go through all the fanworks of male Portugal! So by your logic there should be two Portugal tags because it's only fair! Except no, that's ridiculous.

Himaruya changes his mind on things. People come to the maincomm for things related to the official Hetalia, and if this comm had, say, a Scotland tag, people would assume there's a canon design for Scotland already. It would be confusing, especially if Himaruya decided that no, he's not going to make a Scotland. This isn't a comm for OC nations, that's

nationslash. And sure, this isn't a wikia, but it strives to be a place for official info as well as fanworks.

oh Apologies if it sounded as a hate entry, I wasn't pissed of or anything.
I wanted to know if having certain nations that are mentioned should have a tag or not. In my opinion yes but wanted to know about others opinions.

I tried to be straight forward, but I guess that just made it sound a bit hate'ish.

Like in the comment I said earlier I didn't rage!post it, but I tried to be straightforward, and I guess that had a negative effect.

And both of them Have good points, I did overlook some because I thought Kenya only had a Chibi head, Vietnam where just sketches and so on. But opinions differ on that can't be helped.

And I do believe those mentioned nations should have tags.
But I do like the idea you just mentioned about "unfinished designs" that could certainly work.

I still think some sketch designs should get tags, but that's what discussions are for.
A "unfinalized/mentioned/new character" tag does sound like a good idea.

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